OK Max, so you're beaten.
Hand Guns - Yes or No
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OK Max, so you're beaten.
Phlog, I'll give all of my guns away right this very second, if you'll just please, please, PLEASE quit posting on this thread.
I'll take them to the police station and turn them in ....and I'll even confess to killing all of those people whose murderers haven't been found yet. But please, PLEASE, PLEASE ......stop posting on this thread.
Baron Max
I'll take them to the police station and turn them in ....and I'll even confess to killing all of those people whose murderers haven't been found yet. But please, PLEASE, PLEASE ......stop posting on this thread.
Baron Max
The interesting thing is, Max just can't get it into his head that I'm not a gun grabber. I've stated many and various times that I like shooting, and that I don't want to take guns from law abiding citizens, but Max only sees black and white, needs polemics, and an adversary.
All I am advocating, is strong regulation, and full accountability. Max just thinks that nothing can be done to improve the situation in the US, and is unwilling to explore possibilities. It's truly sad he is so conservative.
All I am advocating, is strong regulation, and full accountability. Max just thinks that nothing can be done to improve the situation in the US, and is unwilling to explore possibilities. It's truly sad he is so conservative.
And I've explained umpty-eleven times ........propose a method for getting the guns out of the hands of criminals, and I'll consider it. Regulating the guns of law-abiding citizens does nothing to keep guns from criminals ...and only "punishes" those who abide by the law - criminals don't!
But that's okay ....I've already given up all my guns, and confessed to all of the gun murders that have ever been commited on Earth. The previously convicted people have all been released from prison and my own trial starts in a couple of weeks.
Baron Max
We equip all guns with creepometers. Everytime a criminal or creep, which hypotherically, cough cough, could be you, touches a gun the gun explodes in their face.
No, that is unreasonable.
Every time a criminal or creep (wink wink) touches a gun equipped with a creepometer they get fried by electric discharge.
And then we use the bodies to make soap products.
It's the only reasonable thing to do.
I'd consider voting for that legislation. I'd want to hear more of the particulars, of course, but ....it sounds good to me on the surface.
Baron Max
I suggest we use a biometrics chip detector. You could easily rig it for certain biological features. Depending on the nation you could rig it to read different parameters.
In the USA you will probably ending up setting it up on the setting: 'kill all except them white christian folks with the god gene'.
In the USA you will probably ending up setting it up on the setting: 'kill all except them white christian folks with the god gene'.
RenegadeSith
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I'm not sure, but mine does... Louisiana has an F on the Brady Scale
Still waiting for that link...
I do grasp this statement, and I agree... any person is more likely to be robbed in public than in their home. This is obvious.
My point is that you keep changing your statements - you've said the above, then you've also said this:
So, either your first post is wrong, or your second one... how many times will you change your position in the same thread?
My gun is not a trouble magnet, it is concealed and I've never had to use it in any situation other than training at the range.
Yes, it keeps me safer by having the ability to efficiently stop a criminal who is intent on harming my family without getting into a bloody melee with him - just as having a tire iron will make it easier for me to change a tire without having to use my pair of pocket-pliers.
Yes, it makes me feel more secure. Let me explain it a little more in-depth...
YOUR QUESTION: WHY HAVE A GUN IN THE FIRST PLACE?
For the same reasons we have smoke detectors, first aid kits, fire extinguishers; life, health, dental and home insurance. Because planning, preparation and investment in proper tools and devices -- give us more control over ourselves and our destiny and well being in any arena. And, having better control of our lives and future is a native concern and need for most of us.
I think, and most of us think, that any life worth living is worth defending. We have dedicated 40, 50, 60, or 100 hours a week to providing for our families so that they may live life without major interruptions or inconveniences and death or injury at the hand of a "Bad Person". Disaster is certainly not part of our plan for optimum survival for us and our family.
Because people are neither natively brave nor courageous and because people are natively more comfortable, less fearful, having something on hand for self and family defense; having a weapon on hand or a method of defense and protection is an internal instinct that is intrinsic and native. That can include decisions to lock the doors, live in safer areas and staying alert to news and current events. Even those who hate guns and want all of them gone, always seem to have a kitchen knife, a baseball bat or a sword (Ha) to defend themselves with. The Bad Person laughs as such implements in the hands of someone not used to fighting for their lives.
Those who decry guns are the first to call 911 and beg someone, a policeman, with a gun to come and defend them - the police can not and WILL NOT ARRIVE IN TIME. In fact the police are not even expected to arrive to defend you. They are expected only, by law, to come and mark chalk lines around your dead body and that of your family - and to write up the reports, take pictures of the blood splattered walls and floor, and file them away along with a report on what they find at the scene of your murder. Check it out; even the Supreme Court of the United States had made a written decision to that extent.
I live in America. No matter what laws are put in place, there are guns out there and there is nothing that can be done to change that. You have to adapt to your surroundings, so I choose to not be an unarmed victim.
Is that ok with you, Phlogistician? Good, now get back to your tea and biscuits and God save the queen!
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If you really want to get banned do something a little more exciting than that, ffs.
Look for reported crime figures collated by the FBI at, ... you guessed it;
http://www.fbi.gov
Why? It's a fatuous stat of Klecks then, to say that the majority of gun defenses were with concealed weapons. As you don't 'conceal' a weapon at home, it's totally meaningless, but you kept touting th efigure as if it actually meant something!
Are you really that thick? I was pointing out that one statement, or the other is false, IE probably that Klecks gun defense stats were totally bogus! Think before posting, try to grasp the points, because you are coming across as really quite dim.
That was the whole point. Wake up and smell the cordite! I have not changed _my_ position, I was showing that Klecks stats do not fit!
According to Kleck, gun owners report four times the national incidence of crimes against the person, yet you say your gun isn't a trouble magnet! Are you getting the idea now, that Kleck's stats are bullshit? Do you really believe that T W Scott was going to be robbed nine time in two hours, in Gary, Indiana? Or do you think, like the people that Kleck inteviewed, he was exaggerating? Hmmm? Could it be a case of 'If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like nails.', hmmm?
OK guys, do you have any suggestions on how to achieve this? How to prevent criminals frim getting guns and ammo?
That's exactly like asking "How do we stop criminals from breathing?" The first thing you must understand is that what criminals do for a living is commit crimes! That's what they do!
If we just began executing every single person who commits a crime with a gun, it would soon cut gun-crime down to almost nothing. And I don't mean all the silly, wasted time and effort of trials ....I mean give the cops a 007 license to shoot a criminal who uses a gun in a crime. Find the bastard, kick down his door and shoot the sonuvabitch and take his guns!
It wouldn't be long before criminals would resort to something other than guns to commit their crimes!!!
Ahh, but we won't do that, will we? Fuck no! We'll continue to coddle vicious criminals, even letting them out on bail so they can keep commiting crimes until their trial date ...usaully months away.
We don't want to stop crime in this country ...if we did, we'd could stop it. But we don't ...we simply don't care. It's always the other guy who gets killed, so why should we give a shit? See? We don't ...we just say it, we just pretend to care. We not only allow criminals to breed, but we train them!
And that's exactly why I carry a gun to protect myself and my family.
Baron Max
I like this thread.
What a simplistic idea.
Who are these "criminals"? Certainly not you or anybody you know, right? No, criminals are deviant human beings who aren't like "normal" people. You probably think all criminals are born not made. You probably think once a criminal, always a criminal. Criminals can't have reasons for committing crimes; it's in their blood - they can't help themselves.
This is a rather extreme positivist view of criminality that you have. From it flows your support of the death penalty, your "tough on crime" stance and your rampant fear of being a victim of an essentially irrational criminal. You think that criminals are "sick", and no cure is possible.
It might be good to become aware that you sit at one extreme of a spectrum of views on criminality. The other extreme is occupied by those who believe that all crime is a rational choice and that criminals are made rather than born.
Educated people tend to sit somewhere between these two extremes.
Death to all jay walkers!
And the good, upstanding police get to decide who the criminals are, I suppose.
There are no corrupt cops, as we all know.
How? By reducing the population by 9/10ths, perhaps, and having everybody live in their own private bunker, cowering away from the world with their rifle on their lap?
I liked the guns in Judge Dredd. If it wasn't licensed to you and didn't recognize your DNA it would kill you.
No, I don't!!! I think criminals are just ordinary people who've made the decision to cross over to the criminal side of the law for various reasons ...most of which is probably money, quick, easy money.
They aren't sick ...or certainly no sicker than your average Joe. And I think you know as well as me, the average Joe can and does cross over the line sometimes. The criminal just does it witout remorse or guilt. And without that remorse or guilt, the criminal behavior simply escalates into worse and worse crimes ...until he's doing crime with a gun.
One of the factors in that escalation of crime by the criminal element is the lack of punishment even if he gets caught. In many cases, due to overcrowding of jails, over-booking of trail cases, the criminal actually doesn't even go to jail or trial ...he's bailed out and right back out on the streets. Hell, why shouldn't he continue his crime streak? It's easy money, and the law can't or won't do anything to him. Soon, he's thumbing his nose at the law, and soon out comes the guns for that big payoff crime ...and it can and does turn deadly.
Until we, as a society, decide that we won't tolerate violent crime, the criminals will continue to plague the law-abiding citizens. It's a gamble now to go out into the major cities. Should we allow that? Well, it seems that we do allow it ....and some even argue that we're still too hard on the poor, poor criminals of the world.
Baron Max