Half of Jews don't want to live near Arabs

[pjdude1219]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)#Contact_with_Nazi_authorities
read spock read and learn

 

[Mr.Spock]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)#Contact_with_Nazi_authorities
read spock read and learn

like i said, one letter and anti israeli sources prove nothing.

you know nothing about the lehi, give it up, go and learn real history instead of some wiki link.

edit-couldnt wait for pjdude:

"The section contact with Nazi officials is based on Ada Amichal Yevin, "In Purple", The Life of Yair - Abraham Stern", Hadar Publishing House Tel Aviv, 1986, pp. 225-230, which is a scholary source. The section clearly states that the letter wasn't written by Lehi nor sent by Lehi, and that it could have been invented because of a personal rivalry. The wording is certainly not Lehi's which is why it is alleged (at most). Cheers, Amoruso 08:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)"

 

[S.A.M.]

really? other then a single paper that says nothing, and lots of anti jewish and israelis links on the web?

you are not an israeli, you never met a lehi activist. this guys gave their lives for future generations-they even wrote a song about their sacrifice. you have me believe they wanted to cooperate with the nazis against the jews in europe?

You have got to be kidding.

Sixty years ago, however, at the time of the British Mandate, it was Jews in Palestine who mainly waged terrorism against the Palestinians. As Jewish leader David Ben-Gurion recorded in his personal history of Israel: “From 1946 to 1947 there were scarcely any Arab attacks on the Yishuv [the Jewish community in Palestine].”

The same could not be said for the Zionists. Jewish terrorists waged an intense and bloody campaign against the Palestinians, British, and even some Jews who opposed them leading up to the establishment of Israel.

The two major Jewish terror organizations in pre-independence Palestine were the Irgun Zvai Leumi—National Military Organization, NMO, also known by the Hebrew letters Etzel—founded in 1937, and the Lohamei Herut Israel, Fighters for the Freedom of Israel, Lehi in the Hebrew acronym, also known as the Stern Gang after its leader Avraham Stern, known as Yair, founded in 1940.

The other major Jewish terrorist group, Lehi, was more extremist than the Irgun, claiming all the land between the Nile and the Euphrates as belonging to the Jews. When Jabotinsky declared a cease-fire in the fight against Britain and its mandate troops in Palestine during World War II, Stern broke with him and founded Lehi. Stern sought alliance with the Nazis, both because they shared an enemy in Britain and because Lehi shared Hitler’s totalitarian ideology. During the war Sternists openly celebrated Nazi victories on the battlefield.

An infamous document called the “Ankara Document” because it was found in the German Embassy in Ankara after the war, detailed Avraham Stern’s ideas “concerning the solution of the Jewish question in Europe.” It was dated Jan. 11, 1941. At the time, Stern was still a member of the Irgun, which he called by its initials, NMO. Wrote Stern: “The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for solving the Jewish question; but this can only be made possible and complete through the settlement of these masses in the home of the Jewish People, Palestine, and through the establishment of a Jewish state in its historical boundaries....The NMO...is well acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities toward Zionist activity inside Germany and toward Zionist emigration plans....The NMO is closely related to the totalitarian movements in Europe in its ideology and structure.”

http://www.washington-report.org/archives/May-June_2006/0605014.html

 

[hypewaders]

Donald Neff's comparisons are valid, but I do take exception to an introductory point he carelessly or cynically made:

The reality is that when faced with a superior military force, such as Britain possessed in 1947 and Israel does today against the Palestinians, terror is the underdog’s only viable weapon.

That just isn't true, and we've seen in recent history how terrorism can severely put off support for even the most worthy causes. Today sloppy thinking is still rampant, that defaults back to giving terrorism much more credit than its due.

Mr. Spock: "[Lehi/Stern Gang] gave their lives for future generations-they even wrote a song about their sacrifice."

How ironic, coming from someone prone to outrage over Palestinian terrorism.

 

[pjdude1219]

Donald Neff's comparisons are valid, but I do take exception to an introductory point he carelessly or cynically made:


That just isn't true, and we've seen in recent history how terrorism can severely put off support for even the most worthy causes. Today sloppy thinking is still rampant, that defaults back to giving terrorism much more credit than its due.

Mr. Spock: "[Lehi/Stern Gang] gave their lives for future generations-they even wrote a song about their sacrifice."

How ironic, coming from someone prone to outrage over Palestinian terrorism.

i loved that as if writing a song about themselves some how grants them points toward legitimacy

 

[Mr.Spock]

You have got to be kidding.


http://www.washington-report.org/archives/May-June_2006/0605014.html

so where does it says they help the german exterminate the jews?

and you actually are quating from anti israeli site. which is ironic.

 

[Mr.Spock]

i loved that as if writing a song about themselves some how grants them points toward legitimacy

what are you that brainless? who talked about legitimacy? i dont agree with the lehi at all, and i think they did only damage, but making them look like nazis-thats an outrage lie. its something only jew haters can say. ignorant one as well.

i mean, just look at your response-you love the comparison. i think its sick.

like the old hebrew saying-deber lalampa. talk to the lamp.

 

[Mr.Spock]

Mr. Spock: "[Lehi/Stern Gang] gave their lives for future generations-they even wrote a song about their sacrifice."

How ironic, coming from someone prone to outrage over Palestinian terrorism.

so the 5 times i spoke to you on intent rather then actions just arent getting in to your head. maybe i need to explain to you my point with pictures.

 

[Mr.Spock]

i doubt will se your "happy" responses on this:

The Mufti was in Berlin during the war, but later denied knowing of the Holocaust. One of Adolf Eichmann's deputies, Dieter Wisliceny, stated after the war that he had actively encouraged the extermination of European Jews, and that he had had an elaborate meeting with Eichmann at his office, during which Eichmann gave him an intensive look at the current state of the “Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe” by the Third Reich. This testimony was denied by Eichmann at his 1961 trial in Jerusalem. Eichmann stated that he had only been introduced to the Mufti during an official reception, along with all other department heads. In the final judgement, the Jeruzalem court stated: "In the light of this partial admission by the Accused, we accept as correct Wisliceny's statement about this conversation between the Mufti and the Accused. In our view it is not important whether this conversation took place in the Accused's office or elsewhere. On the other hand, we cannot determine decisive findings with regard to the Accused on the basis of the notes appearing in the Mufti's diary which were submitted to us."[36].[37]

Jewish political theorist Hannah Arendt, who attended the complete Eichmann trial, concluded in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil: "The trial revealed only that all rumours about Eichmann's connection with Haj Amin el Husseini, the former Mufti of Jerusalem, were unfounded."[38] Rafael Medoff concludes that "actually there is no evidence that the Mufti's presence was a factor at all; the Wisliceny hearsay is not merely uncorroborated, but conflicts with everything else that is known about the origins of the Final Solution."[39] Bernard Lewis also called Wisliceny's testimony into doubt: "There is no independent documentary confirmation of Wisliceny's statements, and it seems unlikely that the Nazis needed any such additional encouragement from the outside."[40]

Some recent research, however, apparently argues that al-Husayni did work with Eichmann for the dispatch of a special corps of Einsatz commandos to exterminate the Jews in Palestina, if Rommel managed to break through the British lines in Egypt.[41] Husseini did intervene on May 13, 1943, with the German Foreign Office to block possible transfers of Jews from Bulgaria, Hungary and Roumenia, after reports reached him that 4000 Jewish children accompanied by 500 adults had managed to reach Palestine. He asked that the Foreign Minister 'to do his utmost' to block all such proposals and this request was complied with.[42]. A year later, on the 25th July, 1944, he wrote to the Hungarian foreign minister to register his objection to the release of certificates for 900 Jewish children and 100 adults for transfer from Hungary, fearing they might end up in Palestine. He suggested that if such transfers of population were deemed necessary, then:-

but who cares? some guy wrote that "zionist", sent a letter to some NAZI. hu, theres the smoking gun! lets party.

 

[pjdude1219]

what are you that brainless? who talked about legitimacy? i dont agree with the lehi at all, and i think they did only damage, but making them look like nazis-thats an outrage lie. its something only jew haters can say. ignorant one as well.

i mean, just look at your response-you love the comparison. i think its sick.

like the old hebrew saying-deber lalampa. talk to the lamp.

i never said they were like the nazi's i said they were willing to work with the nazi's because they thought that would get them what they wanted. all i was attempting to show was that there were jewish groups willing to work with the nazi's if it meant getting more jews in palastine and the creation of a jewish state there.

 

[Mr.Spock]

i never said they were like the nazi's i said they were willing to work with the nazi's because they thought that would get them what they wanted. all i was attempting to show was that there were jewish groups willing to work with the nazi's if it meant getting more jews in palastine and the creation of a jewish state there.

you said it right after i talked about the mufti-dont give me that crap. you tried to assert them NAZI like features, on something you cant even proof. you even told me with all of your pride-read and learn spock. you either think im a fool or very naive. well im neither.

 

[pjdude1219]

you said it right after i talked about the mufti-dont give me that crap. you tried to assert them NAZI like features, on something you cant even proof. you even told me with all of your pride-read and learn spock. you either think im a fool or very naive. well im neither.

i don't think your a fool i think your a close-minded bigoted moron
and the reason i think you are a moron is simple you don't think you need to understand why the palestians think the way they do

 

[Mr.Spock]

i don't think your a fool i think your a close-minded bigoted moron
and the reason i think you are a moron is simple you don't think you need to understand why the palestians think the way they do

or maybe youre the bigot moron who doesnt know why they think the they do, beacuse you never even met one!

the proof that you are the closed minded is the fact that even after 3000 posts nobody understands what im saying-im not talking about disagreement. im talking about understanding.

 

[pjdude1219]

or maybe youre the bigot moron who doesnt know why they think the they do, beacuse you never even met one!

the proof that you are the closed minded is the fact that even after 3000 posts nobody understands what im saying-im not talking about disagreement. im talking about understanding.

so than if you have understanding that you claim do you know why the palestians feel like they got shafted

 

[Mr.Spock]

so than if you have understanding that you claim do you know why the palestians feel like they got shafted

shafted? they hate jews. just look at what SAM said if you dont believe me- the problem is the jews who came from europe. after all they wanted a bi national state. without the european jews.

 

[pjdude1219]

shafted? they hate jews. just look at what SAM said if you dont believe me- the problem is the jews who came from europe. after all they wanted a bi national state. without the european jews.

they hate jews because they feel the british gave to the jews what the british promised them

 

[pjdude1219]

palestinan jews may refer to all jews pre israel. in the end, for an israeli, there isnt much of difference. especially during war.

Now there is a disconnect from reality