Time space distortion, you have got to be talking sci fi right?
space, distortion in space, but counting does not belong there for sure.
Distortion of what?
Gravity question.
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space, distortion in space, but counting does not belong there for sure.
Distortion of what?
Nope. Both are distorted by gravity.
Yes I do just like a metaphor meaning, just symbolic in nature and similar, I know there is no rubber sheet.
whats distorted by gravity?
Time and space. Time, since time passes more slowly in a deep* gravity well. Space, since all spatial trajectories are affected by gravity.
(* - WARNING - this is a reference to the previously mentioned analogy, and the term "deep" is often used by physicists to describe large objects with high surface gravity. It does not mean the object is buried, or is under something else.)
I can not understand this concept of space time, space is empty and time is not a physical thing, so how can time and space distort? what is time made of to distort? space has no medium.
there is nothing to distort, and ''deep'' , time passes slowly, so you are saying the timing is different by curvature distance displacement? not time passes slowly.
A shadow - your definition the reduced intensity of light by obstruction. i.e the incident ray is directly blocked by matter or a dense medium.
Time distorts by passing more slowly. If you watch a clock that is on the surface of a massive object, it runs more slowly.
Space distorts by changing the trajectory of things passing through it. If you fire a bullet in empty "flat" space it goes straight. If you fire it near a massive object it is affected by the nearby distortion of space, and follows a curved trajectory.
Note that from the bullet's perspective the trajectory is straight; it feels nothing pushing on it. But because space itself is distorted, to an outside observer, it follows a curved path.
Time does not slow , and is not a thing, and is not related to space in any way. It is counting by numbers, the information does not sound good, can you explain it any better without the sci fi please?
Time does in fact slow. A clock placed on the surface of a massive object will run slower than a clock farther away. This has been proven by actual experiment and matches the prediction in the theory of general relativity.
More info if you want it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation
You mean gravitational timing dilation. I do not want to sound arrogant, but I miss the part where a Caesium atom and a difference in timing by gravity displacement has anything fundamentally to do with time?
If I did the flight test, and between the moving Caesium atom at altitude and the Caesium atom on the ground, and placed a horizontal linearity between the Atoms, with an infinite timing scale on it, you can clearly see there is no dilation of time, and only a timing difference of the malfunctioning timing keeper.
An accurate clock measures the passage of time. If an accurate clock is running slower to another observer, it is because time is passing more slowly at the clock compared to the observer.
No, there is an actual dilation of time. Any clock you use will show exactly the same change, no matter what the orientation of the clock or method of measurement used (assuming of course it is accurate.)
Time does slow down, and time is real:
Space is warped in the presence of mass and is just as real:
This has become recognised as the spacetime continuum.
Both the above facts have been observationally verified many many times.
You have been told that many many times.
Are you just playing the troll again?
As I told you previously, what you chose to believe is nether here nor there, in the greater scheme of things.
As already said, we do fly past the sun. We're in orbit, constantly circling it.
...unless you are not a native English speaker and when you say "fly past the sun", you really mean "escape orbit"...
There is a dent in space, but it is in (at least) 4 dimensions, not two like the rubber sheet analogy. That's why it's only an analogy.
That's just a limit of your imagination. To scientists, spacetime does not need physical substance to be curved, only geometry.
Now you're belligerantly starting to push a crackpot theory of your own. So are you really here to learn or was this whole thread a setup for a pre-planned attack against mainstream physics? If so, you certinly posted it in the wrong forum because at best it is an alternative theory and should go in the alternative theories section. At worst it is a troll attack and may find its way to the cesspool.
Anyway: as discussed in another thread recently: time is smiply the 4th dimension, with behavior similar to but not exactly the same as space. Like space, isn't a "thing" with physical substance, it is a coordinate system. Sort of like a blank sheet of paper.
That is merely an assumption on your part, and one that if turned into a theory wouldn't work. It would produce wrong results in experiments. Sorry, but the universe doesn't care if you like how it works or not. It works the same either way.
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Physics explains the gravitational difference , a clock is not time. Time is not bothered what your timing devices are doing, time has an absolute value of zero. Science is defining the difference, when the only difference is timing , and not a difference in time.
On absolutely any relativity explanation, involving time dilation, if you add a 3 rd observer, instead of the 2 directional thought , a 3rd observer being time, an infinite horizontal linearity of time, you can clearly see no dilation of time, only a dilation of timing, and distance curvature displacement of timing.
Timing devices are not time, and timing devices are counting. Counting in space, is time and space.
The only distortion is from the Sun itself, space is not distorted, the distortion is the Suns output v planet output.
All of that is not even a theory, it's a fantasy. It simply isn't true. The experiments you describe (poorly) have been done and the results are not what you want to beleive.
Correct. A clock only measures the passage of time. And when an accurate clock is on the surface of a massive object, it shows time passing more slowly. This is an experimentally proven fact and will remain a fact even if you do not understand it.
Space itself is distorted by the gravitational field of the Sun. Again, this is a fact that has been proven by experiment; your not understanding it does not change that fact.
Gravity changes the way things move through space over a specified period of time. Without gravity anything moving would move in a straight line. In the presense of gravity things move in arcs or circles. Spacetime is a four dimensional coordinate system that makes many aspects of how things move as a result of gravity a little bit easier to describe than a flat 3D space and a separate time.
When you start with the assumption that a freely falling, or moving object continues in a straight line unless acted upon by an outside force, and then plot the path of that freely moving object through a gravitational field, the path will either be curved relative to the coordinate system you choose.., or the coordinate system may be curved or distorted to match the path of the freely moving object.
Spacetime as a coordinate system is one that is based on how a gravitational field affects the path of a freely moving object, so the coordinate system is curved or distorted when compared to the 2D or 3D graph you might imagine as a coordinate system in your living room.
Spacetime gets more complicated than that, because it includes other variables... But to answer your question in the first place as simply as possible.., without significant background in general relativity.., it is the path that a freely moving object follows, that is distorted or curved by gravity... Instead of just following a straight path, it curves with the gravitational field.
Time is real, what does it look like? , what physical presence does it have? define time in observation terms, the counting of a repeat recurring process. Define time in reality, does not start, does not stop, and is not seen or does not have any effect or interactions throughout space.
Playing the troll, NO, science defines time as a thing, and it is not a thing, and things that are not a thing, can have effect on nothing.
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