God uses sound vibrations to instantly mobilise particles into perfect geometric shapes

[Trek]

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If anyone is wondering about Trek’s and Jan Ardena’s interest in sound vibrations, it’s all to do with “ The Bible states that, in the beginning was the Word (sound), and the Word (sound), was God. “
My bold below.

Cyamatics is a well known phenomena, and is used to explain all manner of spiritual/meta-physical phenomena. The Bible is the most famous explanation probably in the world, of God uttering sounds to manipulate nature.
This information is not unique to anyone, or any religion.

 

[billvon]

Cyamatics is a well known phenomena, and is used to explain all manner of spiritual/meta-physical phenomena. The Bible is the most famous explanation probably in the world, of God uttering sounds to manipulate nature.

Well, also Isis. Egyptian mythology has a character that can turn into the god Isis when they say the phrase "O mighty Isis!"

So I guess there's just as much proof that Isis is the One True God. More proof, actually, since there is a TV show about it.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Shazam!

 

[Trek]

Well, also Isis. Egyptian mythology has a character that can turn into the god Isis when they say the phrase "O mighty Isis!"

So I guess there's just as much proof that Isis is the One True God. More proof, actually, since there is a TV show about it.

What does this have to do with the post you responded to!

 

[billvon]

What does this have to do with the post you responded to!

OK see if you can follow this:

You posted a claim about cymatics, the theory that god uses sound to cause things to happen.

I posted an example of cymatics, where a god in human form transforms into the god Isis by using sound.

Let me know if you are still confused as to how those to relate to each other.

 

[Trek]

OK see if you can follow this:

You posted a claim about cymatics, the theory that god uses sound to cause things to happen.

I posted an example of cymatics, where a god in human form transforms into the god Isis by using sound.

Let me know if you are still confused as to how those to relate to each other.

I’m still confused.
My post was relating to the accusation of me being Jan Ardenda because we both speak about the use of sound vibration in the bible.
It was never really a talking point addition to the thread

 

[billvon]

My post was relating to the accusation of me being Jan Ardenda because we both speak about the use of sound vibration in the bible.

Right. And I replied to your 'speaking' about the use of sound vibration in the Bible. Whether or not you are Jan.

 

[Trek]

Right. And I replied to your 'speaking' about the use of sound vibration in the Bible. Whether or not you are Jan.

No you didn’t.

 

[Trek]

God is, by some claims, responsible for the creation of the universe.

Only by some claims?
Where are the claims that he is not responsible for the creation of the universe?

That's a pretty big deal.

Not really.
He used sound to mobilise chaotic nature into order. You’ve seen how sound vibration on a simple level organises random particles into geometric shapes instantly.
Think what a being like God could do with sound.

If there is going to be evidence for it, the evidence will have to rule in God and rule out the natural events of the Big Bang. That'd be pretty extraordinary

Why?
The Big Bang was the start of chaotic components coming together and forming an orderly procession of events leading to the creation of the universe.
What is so extraordinary about that?

I didn't say it wasn't extraordinary. But it's not evidence of God.

Agreed.
God is way simpler, cleaner, and effective.
And that’s me being favourable to the crazy idea of abiogenesis

Abiogenesis does not rule out natural organic chemistry and does not rule in God.

It rules out God, that’s for sure.
What is your definition of God why you would make such an out of touch statement.

 

[DaveC426913]

You have messed up the quote feature in post 815. you still have time to repair it. I have managed to extract what you were trying to say, here:

God is, by some claims, responsible for the creation of the universe.

Only by some claims?
Where are the claims that he is not responsible for the creation of the universe?

Yes. Some claims are that he doesn't exist, and therefore did not create the universe. Where is this going?

That's a pretty big deal.

Not really.

OK, so you're not asking me about my opinion; you're simply asking as a segue into voicing your own opinion.

He used sound to mobilise chaotic nature into order.

So you believe. I would bet money that this is an unfounded belief. That, whatever evidence you feel you have that God exists, it does not extend to his use of sound - unless you count taknig it on faith from the Bible.

Since you know we don't accept the Bible as sufficient evidence of anything, this is the wrong tree you are barking up.

You’ve seen how sound vibration on a simple level organises random particles into geometric shapes instantly.
Think what a being like God could do with sound.

This is a discussion about evidence, not wishful thinking.

If there is going to be evidence for it, the evidence will have to rule in God and rule out the natural events of the Big Bang. That'd be pretty extraordinary.

Why?
The Big Bang was the start of chaotic components coming together and forming an orderly procession of events leading to the creation of the universe.
What is so extraordinary about that?

Look up the definition of ordinary, then scroll down to antonyms.

I think you are waffling. Get to the point, or this is a diversion tactic.

 

[Trek]

You have messed up the quote feature in post 815. you still have time to repair it. I have managed to extract what you were trying to say, here:

I know. I managed to clean it up in time.

Yes. Some claims are that he doesn't exist, and therefore did not create the universe. Where is this going?

Well that is obvious.
The way you worded it sounded like you were saying that within the theist community there are varying ideas some of which claims God did not crest the universe. My bad.

OK, so you're not asking me about my opinion; you're simply asking as a segue into voicing your own opinion.

Well you said creating the universe is a pretty big deal, intimating that God creating the universe is an extraordinary claim. I’m just saying it is less extraordinary than abiogenesis.

So you believe. I would bet money that this is an unfounded belief. That, whatever evidence you feel you have that God exists, it does not extend to his use of sound - unless you count taking it on faith from the Bible.

Of course it does!
Why wouldn’t it?
Sound vibration mobilising particles into geometric shapes is a well documented physical phenomenon. Why shouldn’t it be a consideration for how God created the universe?

Since you know we don't accept the Bible as sufficient evidence of anything, this is the wrong tree you are barking up.

Maybe so, but it makes for interesting conversation, and is also very challenging g. I bet you’ve not had a Christian on here talking about sound vibration.

This is a discussion about evidence, not wishful thinking.

I think that is pretty strong evidence.
Why would you think it is wishful thinking?

Look up the definition of ordinary, then scroll down to antonyms.

Are you suggesting sound vibrations instantly mobilising particles into perfect geometric shapes, or altering the flow of water particles is not ordinary?

I think you are waffling. Get to the point, or this is a diversion tactic.

I have got right to the heart of the matter we are discussing. You should learn from me, and start explaining your concept of God and how you came to the conclusion that there is no evidence for God, and what evidence you would accept. That would make for a better conversation, instead of trying to catch me out all the time.

 

[Trek]

I see you have been editing. OK.

I’m not very good at using my phone to write long pieces of texts. My fingers seemed to be to big or something.

Of course. Magical thinking always is. That's what makes it so alluring to those who need comfort.

And you don’t see that with the idea of abiogenesis?
That’s amazing!
I’ll say it again sound vibrations instantly mobilising particles into perfect geometric shapes is not magic. But I agree it looks like magic

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[Gawdzilla Sama]

I hope you believers are never on trial for you life and the court accepts your standard of evidence.

 

[billvon]

No you didn’t.

Apparently you have trouble reading. No surprise there; your answers aren't making much sense.

 

[James R]

Some context for this thread...

Here's the wikipedia page on cymatics:

Cymatics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It sounds like Trek thinks that God's magic is needed to explain why particles fall into nodal lines when certain surfaces are caused to vibrate.

In fact, plain old science explains how this works just fine. No need for God.

More generally, Trek claims that his God "utters sounds to manipulate nature". This sounds like a fun claim to explore. It's right out there on the fringe.

I'm not yet sure whether this thread sits best in the Religion category or the Pseudoscience category. For now, let's try Religion.

 

[Pinball1970]

. I’m just saying it is less extraordinary than abiogenesis.

Anything will seem like magic to someone who has never set foot inside a laboratory, opened a scientific textbook, had a lecture or taken part in a seminar.

 

[Pinball1970]

I bet you’ve not had a Christian on here talking about sound vibration.

No but we had a guy who was keen on pixie dust. (I browse the Cesspool sometimes)

 

[foghorn]

Clarification please…
Trek, does your take on the Bible’s creation story include the beginning of space and time?

 

[Pinball1970]

Clarification please…
Trek, does your take on the Bible’s creation story include the beginning of space and time?

I think so but he will have to confirm that.

I think that is why he is not keen on the "eternal universe" models that do not need a beginning and therefore a god to do magic

 

[exchemist]

I know. I managed to clean it up in time.

Well that is obvious.
The way you worded it sounded like you were saying that within the theist community there are varying ideas some of which claims God did not crest the universe. My bad.

Well you said creating the universe is a pretty big deal, intimating that God creating the universe is an extraordinary claim. I’m just saying it is less extraordinary than abiogenesis.

Of course it does!
Why wouldn’t it?
Sound vibration mobilising particles into geometric shapes is a well documented physical phenomenon. Why shouldn’t it be a consideration for how God created the universe?
Maybe so, but it makes for interesting conversation, and is also very challenging g. I bet you’ve not had a Christian on here talking about sound vibration.

I’m pretty sure we have.

But I realise this could lead into a No True Scotsman digression….