"God is not the problem" (?!)

"God is not the problem" ...?

  • No, God, by nature of being God, IS, in fact, the problem

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • The problem isn't God but believers

    Votes: 10 76.9%
  • The problem is that "virtue" as an idea is presumputous

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The problem is that infidels are too stupid to see the logic of blind obedience as virtue

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • (Other)

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Total voters
    13

Tiassa

Let us not launch the boat ...
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"God is not the problem"

A "guest columnist" (e.g. a local citizen with a gripe) published in today's Seattle Times makes the following assertions:
God is not the problem. "In God We Trust" is not the problem. "One nation under God" is not the problem. "So help me God" is not the problem. The Judeo-Christian God or any Supreme Being you care to name is not the problem. The bugaboo is not faith or religion.

The problem lies in having no higher standard, no respect for human life and no shame. "I'm an American, don't tell me how to live my life." Sounds right, doesn't it? But what does it really mean? Don't tell me I can't spin the truth. In fact, don't tell me that anything as concrete as truth exists . . . .

. . . . The problem lies in a loud, self-serving minority that lacks allegiance to anything that smacks of virtue. It's their lack of self-discipline coupled with no sense of obligation or recognition that there is a concept called "right and wrong" and that freedom isn't secured by renouncing right and wrong, but rather through its acknowledgment . . . .

(Read "God as a scapegoat", by Deborah Kane-Wood, in its entirety)
The author "chimes in from Auburn". Strangely, in my youth, we had a bad joke about "Auburn girls". To me, this article is so Auburn, Washington that I can't quite explain it to you. Nonetheless, this is not about location or stereotypes of people from a podunk backwater with a stick in its ass.

Rather, I wish to point out to people of faith, especially of the Christian faith, that it is articles and sentiments like these which leave the rest of us stunned. Lack "allegiance to anything that smacks of virtue"? My first sentiment is that I wish something that smacked of virtue had a reason aside from greed and dominion.

The article counts among the things I find offensive about religion. Ms. Kane-Wood has, in fact, at least part of a point: God is not the problem. She's right. It's myopic, selfish believers such as herself who refuse the logic of civil virtue.

At present, I'm waiting for Bill Maher's website to post the transcript from the August 22, 2003 show. Bill addressed a simple fact about the "ten commandments as the basis of law", when pointing out that, in America, less than half of the commandments come to law.

But in the end, I feel like I'm looking at a single, central issue: Is the only reason to behave in what society deems is a virtuous manner truly your obligation to God, or is it perhaps possible that there are more logical considerations--including a degree of greed--that compel us toward virtuous behavior?

Edit: I highly encourage people, in addition to considering participation in this topic, to visit the Seattle Times website and let them know what you think. The article link should get you close enough.
 
In my opinion, God is the problem. "God" created this world exactly how it is today so we can blame "God" without doubt for anything we want. Things will not get any better if we do, but nothing will change if we don't either.
 
Welll .. kind of difficult to blame someone like God.

I mean, he's too nonexistent to defend himself, the poor bloke.
 
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