God As A Psychological Event

Leo Volont

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God As A Psychological Event

There have been enough studies to show that Psychological Experiences are not arbitrary and random, that they show pattern, design, meaning, are predictable and can be mapped – that if a patient experience this, this and this, then it is likely he will soon experience that. In healthy patients Maturity Curves and Passages can be tracked along known curves, and in pathological cases deterioration can follow predictable lines as so also the course of healing. All this is to say that the Mind and its experiences are in a manner Real Events, following all the ordinary rules by which Objective Phenomena must abide. If it is Objective, then it is Real, and if it is real, then, well, it can’t be so easily dismissed, can it?

So what if Psychology has encountered God Delusions – patients that had experienced God? And then, what if many other patients had experienced much the same order of Delusion – that God is seen by different people, but in substantially the same way? And not in accordance with the doctrines of the Religion of their upbringing, but a Surprise God that is consistent across population groups? Years ago before the Internet I had read a Paper by a psychologist who maintained that the God Delusion was powerfully therapeutic – that certain psychotic patients would experience a God Delusion during the course of their affliction but that the God Vision would come as a healing crisis… that the God Epiphany would bring a Re-Integration of the personality. That God Heals.

Well, this raises the question as to whether an Atheist who ever dreams of God can really ever truly consider himself to be an Atheist? If God’s True Realm is in the Mind and nowhere else – the Collective Mind – then once that God is encountered, how can that God subsequently be denied?

And then we must wonder about an Atheist who reads a Psychology Paper that shows a consensus regarding God Delusions or Visions. Can one continue to deny God even after He has become a factor in one of our Scientific Disciplines?
 
Leo, that's a very strong argument for believing in God or any deity ( as a real manifestation in the collective psyche ).
I'll gladly call myself a believer. I won't believe he made the world or awaits me in heaven but I'm quite happy to re-badge him as a misty cloud existing ( like a virus) in the fertile tilth of a soiled mind.

Leo, what do I call myself now? Am I no longer an atheist?
 
Well, one really needs to look at one's own psychological existence. Do you have dreams. Does one have motifs of particular thoughts?

I would rather expect that most people do not dream of God or have anything concerning God in their psychological dynamics. Some people do, but a great many people don't.

If a person has never had a Spiritual Dream or a Spiritual Vision, then they would be more consistent with themselves if they were to remain an Atheist.

I suppose there can be an instance where a person might WISH that there was some personal psychological presense of Divinity, where a person wishes they had a Dream or Vision of God. One would expect a dream to come from simple wish fulfillment. However, in many cases Divine Dreams come with greater intensity than ordinary dreams, forcing the hypothesis that such dreams are special phenomena.

what should one call one's self? I don't know. People get over involved with nomitives. Words are only words. Labels are only labels. However, it seems that people have an instinct to treat Words and Labels as though they indicate Realities. In fact it is the core of Magical Thinking -- the supposition that words are Real or connect to Real Essential Things -- Magic Words, Mantras... all that stuff. Such may be the case in Dreams... I have personally experienced cases where, when trying to hold onto dreaming struggling not to wake up, that the Dream Scene broke down into Word Narrative -- things became words. So, in the context of Dreams and Visions, perhaps Words do have power -- words can evoke actual psychological phenomena. But in Day to Day Reality words are simply nominals, labels we place on things, and they carry no extraordinary power.


Leo, that's a very strong argument for believing in God or any deity ( as a real manifestation in the collective psyche ).
I'll gladly call myself a believer. I won't believe he made the world or awaits me in heaven but I'm quite happy to re-badge him as a misty cloud existing ( like a virus) in the fertile tilth of a soiled mind.

Leo, what do I call myself now? Am I no longer an atheist?
 
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