elte
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What is there that could hold back or inhibit a being with such qualities? I am not saying here that such a being exists, please note.
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What is there that could hold back or inhibit a being with such qualities? I am not saying here that such a being exists, please note.
elte
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I disagree and I have explained why.
Try again please.
Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
How woud omniscience and omnipotence make us absolutely free.??? ”
A being who alredy knows it all coud never have an opportinity to make a choice... they coud only watch thangs play out the way they have always known they will.!!!
How woud omniscience and omnipotence make us absolutely free.??? ”
A being who alredy knows it all coud never have an opportinity to make a choice... they coud only watch thangs play out the way they have always known they will.!!!
elte
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I explained why the limited notion of freewill that uses the imperfectly free sense of free as in free software should not be. I apologize that I have nothing more to add in that regard.
Maybe if you ask a different specific question, I will come up with further thoughts.
elte
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We would not feel like there is anything bothering us. Nothing that is problematic. Nothing that needs to be done. Imprisoned by freedom, maybe?
It/he/she already made the perfect choice in the beginning when it used its perfect power!
Your explanation was insufficient.
You have yet to explain how the notion "absolute free-will" can have any meaning.
You have recognized that our choices are restricted by factors beyond our control:
And yet, despite this, you maintain that there can be such a thing as "absolute free-will".
Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
How woud omniscience and omnipotence make us absolutely free.??? ” ”
“ A being who alredy knows it all coud never have an opportinity to make a choice... they coud only watch thangs play out the way they have always known they will.!!! ”
Then in the beginnin "it" wasnt all-knowin an therfor not absoultely free... an after "it" made that choice "it" still wasnt absolutely free... an mater of fact... "it" mus have realized by then that "it" wasnt free at all.!!!
How woud omniscience and omnipotence make us absolutely free.??? ” ”
“ A being who alredy knows it all coud never have an opportinity to make a choice... they coud only watch thangs play out the way they have always known they will.!!! ”
Then in the beginnin "it" wasnt all-knowin an therfor not absoultely free... an after "it" made that choice "it" still wasnt absolutely free... an mater of fact... "it" mus have realized by then that "it" wasnt free at all.!!!
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elte
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It has meaning as a point on the continuum between 0 freewill and 100% freewill.
They bind us in many ways.
It is like faster-than-light travel. We're not sure if it exists anywhere or not, but we have a term for it.
elte
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And be content doing it without wanting to do anything.
Even if it realizes it, it doesn't care. But, I care about freewill, though, because regardless of whether there is a free god, I am not free.
Do you care that you are not free.???
elte
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I do care about not being free.
I cared 1 Chrismus eve when i fount out that Santa wasnt real... but presents under the tree soon took the sting away... lol.!!!
Digging even deeper....
If all free-will is to be understood as part of a continuum of potential free-will, then, unless the zenith (your "100% free-will) is defined (and more importantly, found to be pragmatically possible) the entire continuum fails to have meaning.
Again then, it's time for a definition.
elte
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Uninhibited wishing and doing.
It doesn't really mean much for humans today. I think the use of the term should be rare if at all.
elte
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I wish you many more such pleasant surprises!
Thank you... an rite bak at'cha... lol.!!!
Originally Posted by glaucon
Digging even deeper....
...t's time for a definition. ”
Please give an esample of "Uninhibited wishin an doin" so i mite beter understan what that is.!!!
Does it make any difference even if you care or not? And what it means by being free???
elte
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I have to say that I don't know of an example.
elte
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It might help me to work against the problem.
Being free is without influence or restriction. It's the absolute sense that matters with the term freewill. Freeness is absolute like purity is without any contaminants.
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