Free Will

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I don't what to say , other than take the chance

you'll have to at some point

I'm trying to second guess you here as much as it is I'm curious as to your thinking

be private if nessecary

thank you for your uhm advice...and I shall consider the issue of disclosure more over the next few months.....
 
What prompted you to post this ?

Isn't it obvious? I'm taking control of the will-less masses. Since they admit to not having any free will they have no choice but to OBEY!

Bwahahaha!!! Fall in line will-less PAWNS!!!
 
some times pandoras box needs to be tested to make sure the lid seals properly.

[cryptic side comment to those who may need it]
 
So you'r sayin that somtimes you do thangs for no reason... so when you do thangs for no reason... do you consider that as you'r "will" bein free.???

Sometimes yes, sometimes no, sometimes sorta.

Do you thank when you do thangs for "no-reason" that its caused by a malfuncton in the human brane...

nope.

an do you thank thangs can hapen for no reason to an inanimate object such as a Television or an automobile.???

Things happen from time to time for no discernable reason.
 
as you know, pleasure when way too intense can be very painful....which is why the box is evolving.
 
Much of what I say cannot be supported externally

Then its not terribly convincing.

This does not equate to everything that I conclude being unsupportable.

Well, yes that is what it menas.

If I tell you God spoke to me, how could I possibly support this?

So god spoke to you but didn't really say anything of note? The god of banal greetings is amoung us!!! You wouldn't think a god would have so much trouble saying things that could be verified.

If I say this Universe is a Chaotic one, this is based of rigorous research that is not my own

The way you throw the term around and refuse to expand upon it makes me think you haven't the first clue what that research actually meant.
 
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Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
So you'r sayin that somtimes you do thangs for no reason... so when you do thangs for no reason... do you consider that as you'r "will" bein free.??? ”


Swarm---Sometimes yes...


Well give an esample of usin you'r free will to do somptin for no reason.!!!


“ Do you thank when you do thangs for "no-reason" that its caused by a malfuncton in the human brane... ”

Swarm---nope.

Then when you do thangs for no reason... is it planned/intentional... that you are aware of.???


“ an do you thank thangs can hapen for no reason to an inanimate object such as a Television or an automobile.??? ”


Swarm---Things happen from time to time for no discernable reason.


I agree wit that... but how about this queston:::

“ do you thank thangs can hapen for no reason to an inanimate object such as a Television or an automobile... thangs such as... not workin properly.??? ”
 
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They are directed by a chain of cause/effect at the micro-level that began whenever the Universe began (if it did) and will end with the death of the universe.

That is a comforting feeling for some, but it doesn't seem a justified assumption.

Cause/effect occurs at the micro-level as well.
The unpredictability you refer to is due to the probability function of the effects of each cause. E.g. a single cause might have 20% chance of 5 separate effects. But this does not negate cause/effect.
Which is why two identical set-ups might have multiple outcomes.
But this is still predictable.

All I can say is I held this opinion to begin with but several physicists who understand quantum physics have explained to me that this just isn't how it works and the evidence that this is not how it works is very well established.

I understand this is disagreeable to some people, even other physicists, but I have to go with the current preponderence of the evidence.

I regret I don't have the math to discuss this directly, perhaps there are physicists hanging about who can do so in the physics threads.

If you knew everything about everything at one specific time interval then you could predict, within the realms of probability, the next moment.

The speed of light makes it impossible to know everything at one specific time interval. There is an envelope of Cdt which will effect the next moment but is further than you can know about.

The "will" you exerted to make what you saw as a choice was nothing more than the culmination of a massively complex chain of cause and effect up to the moment of "choice".

So you claim, but the evidence fails to pan out that way.

And if you hold that free-will / choice exists then please detail how the force/thing interacts with the chain of dominoes, without it, too, being part of another such chain?

Choosing is not a chain of dominoes. It is the complex interaction of billions of living organisms with trillions of interconnections which have both standing patterns of activity, self reference, traces of previous experience, attention, awareness, and choice.

Just like formal logic cannot handle the self reference in the liar's paradox, your formal causality cannot handle free will. The doesn't mean there is not free will. It means your system of explaning behavior in not sufficient to the task.
 
There is an old saying I think:
"Ignorance is bliss" and this is one of those times when it truly is.
 
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