Any one else fail to see what I am trying to say, have I worded it badly.
Sorry clueluss but I can't be any more clear than that.....
Sorry clueluss but I can't be any more clear than that.....
Free Will
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I dont see what 1 has to do wit the other... but that cause an effect esists is inescapable... ie... i dont know of anythang that hapens wit-out cause... much less that ther can be an "un-influenced" thout aka free-will.!!!
Give an esample of when "will" is not influenced.???
What you'r callin oppression is what i call cause an effect... but no mater which term is used i still dont see any evidence of... or esamples of un-influenced will/free-will.!!!
Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
How does that demonstrate my "free-will"... it jus begs the queston... what are the causes that made me loose my keys.???
So you agree ther was causes that made me loose my keys... but are you insinuatin that som thangs that hapen do not have causes... an if so... what is an esample of that.???
How does that demonstrate my "free-will"... it jus begs the queston... what are the causes that made me loose my keys.???
so we have trouble managing our free will....this is not surprising ha...
the causes were some form of oppression....
So you agree ther was causes that made me loose my keys... but are you insinuatin that som thangs that hapen do not have causes... an if so... what is an esample of that.???
well....when you are totally unconscious your will is being uninfluenced and incapable of influencing in a proactive sense.
Thats no escape from influence... you'r body an inviroment is havin 100% influnence causin you to be unconscious... unless you know of a way that a person can be unconscious for no reason... but its ironic that you suggest that the joyous wonder of free-will as only occurin when you'r totaly unconscious.!?!?
unconsciousness [death as well] is the ultimate escape from oppression.
It is the only time your will is absolutely free of influence. Therefore the only time it has absolute freedom to do nothing.... after all what is a will but something to do something with...all the time you are conscious.
There's nothing to do when you are unconscious...so it is free....
I'm not sure whether or not you support free will or not but, will, whether it's influenced or not, all have reactions. Whether or not it's free. So that's not a valid arguement.
Free will exists in the human psyche as a romantic dream. The dying and suffering and the addicts and sick kids will tell you otherwise. We have only one of two options; life or death. Thus implicating the disingenuity of free will. We are governed by conditioning.
You offer death as an escape from influence... but even in death... all the particals that made up you'r body will forever be acted upon... but can you give an esample of when a person has escaped influence while alive an alert.???
Can you give an esample of when a person is partialy free of influence while alive an alert.???
I suspect that thers no such thang as uninfluenced will/free-will... an i have no idea of you'r positon on free-will... but do you have thouts thar are not inlfuenced... ie... was the post you jus made uncaused.???
Enmos
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Hey clueless, who's sock are you ?
Nobodys... but Hamtastic has been suggesteed a few times... do you have somone else in mind.???
Enmos
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No, but Ben asked us. And since I don't know I figured I'd just ask you outright
So, come on..
Who is Ben an whare did he ask "you all".???
And since I don't know I figured I'd just ask you outright
So, come on..
An i answrd you outright.!!!
Have you considered the posibility im tellin the truth.???
Enmos
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The thread is called something like "cluelusshusbund is a sock puppet"
Hmm no, but good point
So the Hummer [to use the earlier example] is being restricted by the garage. Does this make the Hummer less able to fulfill it's potential given the opportunity?
Does loosing an internet connection somehow reduce my freewill? Nope but it does restrict it's expression...IMO
Does loosing an internet connection somehow reduce my freewill? Nope but it does restrict it's expression...IMO
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No... but thats meerly pontin out 1 of the influences actin on the hummer causin its curent situaton (cause an effect)... what i woud like to see is a situaton of when the hummer is free from influence.!!!
Loosin a internet connecton is jus 1 of the many thangs that influences an causes you'r curent behavior... i woud like to see an esample of when you'r behavior ant bein controled/influenced (while you'r alive an alert).!!!
In other words... you keep makin my argument by showin me esamples of cause an effect... an you only talk about un-influenced "will" as a potential... i woud like to see an esample of when that potential manifests itself... ie... an esample of an acton that wasnt caused (free-will).!!!
I dont see how restricting the expression of free will is any different than oppressing it.
Something like the internet cant be uninvented. Its all over the world already (in record pace) and I would say everyone has a right to see what everyone else thinks. (as belligerent as it is sometimes
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