Female minds

i respect your last post gently,

"I am quiet, reserved, polite to everyone, and usually the first to back down in an argument. I yield, I respect others, but when it's time to act, I act quickly, definitely and I don't hold back."

ahh like a true warrior.


peace.
 
The notion that only an aggressive, violent, tempermental, selfish, pushy man is truly a man is an equation of manhood with childishness.

It's true that many American men are raised by mothers only, and without much adult male companionship. So it's easy to understand how masculinity and childishness could come to be associated, in ordinary American male culture - all the males they know in their formative years are children, all the adult virtues found in females only.

But it is possible to outgrow that. And it's a good idea.

Another line of approach is that American culture has been subtly and significatnly influenced by the unique circumstances of the frontier in the US. The pioneers who first dealt with Reds, people who hunted for real and wandered for miles, did not (as in other places) give way to another class from their culture that established civilization: they were the establishers of their own upper classes and intellectual traditions. And the notion that only a feral man is truly free has dogged the place ever since.

As far as assigning this or that role to "femininity" or the "female mind", that's better done from a perspective both wider among the world's cultures and longer among the record of human life than is visible here.

For example: my ancestors (some of them) assigned all real property to women and determined inheritance through women. Husbands moved into their wive's house, and were suffered to remain there at her pleasure alone. They also established a tradition of poetry taught formally and rigorously to boys only by revered poets - so that natural ability in story and song and poetry was a recognized feature of the male mind, not possessed by women. They decorated themselves and their possessions, wore jewelry and paint, cried easily, etc. Yet they would not be taken for effeminate men, nowdays - among their possessions so decorated were weapons, well used ones, and their raids took them in open boats on the North Atlantic to far places that had learned to fear their arrival.
 
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So the discussion is the mind, not the brain.

That's an important distinction, my friends.

Another interesting feature of life in general is gender ambiguity. "God doesn't want gay people, it's not natural!" is the biggest line of bullshit ever - here's why:

The simplest forms of life literally fuck themselves - well, they reproduce asexually.

But when you get into more complex forms, the most primitive are actually hermaphroditic - possessing both testis and ovaries, and have the ability to self-copulate.

Worms may copulate with anybody they please, whoever happens to be around. There is a sperm pore and a vaginal structure.

Assuming this ambiguity is just going to disappear simply because we have evolved is nonsense! Highly complex critters, like frogs for example, readily change sex as an adaptation for survival. No women around? Well somebody undergoes a natural sex change and there you have it.

So some men exhibit female characteristics and vice versa.

Establishment of gender roles is important to our society, and that's why control mechanisms like Christianity discourage such ambiguity. But in a country like America, where totally ad-hoc social structures are ever evolving at a sometimes disturbing rate, we can only expect to see lines blur and gender roles shift.

In a way, the current push for gay/lesbian/bi/trans rights and the increasingly open expression of their culture in America is a result of such movements as the Puritans, the Reformation and so on.

Ironic, don't ya think?
 
iceaura said:
The notion that only an aggressive, violent, tempermental, selfish, pushy man is truly a man is an equation of manhood with childishness.
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So what about the notion of associating women with kindness, gentility, and innocence?

It's true that many American men are raised by mothers only, and without much adult male companionship. So it's easy to understand how masculinity and childishness could come to be associated, in ordinary American male culture - all the males they know in their formative years are children, all the adult virtues found in females only.
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Maybe part of the problem is also because American men simply have more of everything than the average man; booze, money, toys.
 
chatha said:
So what about the notion of associating women with kindness, gentility, and innocence?
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Only innocence is specifically childlike, in that list - and I'm not sure women are actually associated with innocence in general.
 
Feminine psychology can be at least partially explained by the fact that they are the carriers of the placenta. In order to carry a baby for nine months the body must be subject to a fairly precise amount of hormones, some of which come in relatively high concentrations during pregnancy, or at certain times during the ovulation cycle.

Estrogen and Progesterone are probably the two most important, but there are others - LH, FSH, etc.

These hormones stimulate and maintain the uterine lining, and serve other functions in the childbearing process, but a side effect is that they create a situation where the brain is more sensitive to certain stimuli, or in psychological terms stress.

Men experience this, too. Get done pumping iron, you're more apt to want to fight versus resolve conflict diplomatically.

Hormones have an effect - it's a well established fact. Women are subject to a great deal of hormonal change on a regular basis.

Hence their minds are quite a bit different than ours.

Evolution dictates that they would also be adapted to childcare - and hypersensitivity to external stimuli is certainly beneficial to survival.

"TIGER! RUN!!"

Men might get eaten, but then men are not really necessary after the conception. :D

(from a certain biological standpoint that is - psychologists and many other well respected and well published scientists including biologists would disagree - the case can be made, though)
 
Feminine psychology can also at least be partially explained by the fact that they are well... a little bit nuts
 
Gently Passing said:
Feminine psychology can be at least partially explained by the fact that they are the carriers of the placenta. In order to carry a baby for nine months the body must be subject to a fairly precise amount of hormones, some of which come in relatively high concentrations during pregnancy, or at certain times during the ovulation cycle.

Estrogen and Progesterone are probably the two most important, but there are others - LH, FSH, etc.

These hormones stimulate and maintain the uterine lining, and serve other functions in the childbearing process, but a side effect is that they create a situation where the brain is more sensitive to certain stimuli, or in psychological terms stress.

Men experience this, too. Get done pumping iron, you're more apt to want to fight versus resolve conflict diplomatically.

Hormones have an effect - it's a well established fact. Women are subject to a great deal of hormonal change on a regular basis.

Hence their minds are quite a bit different than ours.

Evolution dictates that they would also be adapted to childcare - and hypersensitivity to external stimuli is certainly beneficial to survival.

"TIGER! RUN!!"

Men might get eaten, but then men are not really necessary after the conception. :D

(from a certain biological standpoint that is - psychologists and many other well respected and well published scientists including biologists would disagree - the case can be made, though)
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Give us a break with that crap will ya. Throughout all history, the number one excuse for women has always and will always be hormones. I am sure men have hormones too. Let me tell you, women are completely fuckin sane, and 99% of the time they know what they are doing. Yes, women play games with men, but this is usually with young men or boys. Older guys like us don't have time for games; we are probably looking to get married and looking for a nice innocent girl. Once we get a girl's number and we try her twice with no sign of a descent future, we are hanging up the line. Plus we are far too busy and occupied with other stuff. The number one reason why women act the way they do, which can be irrational or even crazy to some guys, is that they always dig their own hole. A modern woman is so focused on herself that it becomes difficult to have a rational view at things. Hence, when these women find out that things aren't the way they seem, they loose their mind, they can't believe it. Yes, there are certain hormones that ravage a woman's brain; even I have to come to believe that, given some of my rather conflicting adventures with some women. Nonetheless, whenever anybody finds out that you like them, they become fickle and start to play games, both men and women, which is a natural thing that doesn't require hormones. Women also have to deal with competition in themselves, which is why they always appear to want your total attention, no hormone required in this as well. Most women think they are God's gift to men, the same way men think they are to civilization.
 
iceaura said:
The notion that only an aggressive, violent, tempermental, selfish, pushy man is truly a man is an equation of manhood with childishness.
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I think this is what really fucks guys up, we're all supposed to be these brash, frustratingly distant, arrogant desperados in order to appear attractive and competant.
When in fact in i dont want to be like that atall.

I want to be pleasent and polite and hold doors open for people, and listen to people when they speak rather than shouting over them.
I want make others feel comfortable around me rather than uneasy and threatened.

I think it's all devastatingly simple really; behave exactly as you want to behave, and if youre not hurting anyone in the process. noone whos half-way rational should have a problem.
And if they do - lay into them with an array of lightening-speed combos to the kidneys, then finish them off by uppercutting them 20ft into the air then light a match off your stubble as you walk off into the horizon puffing on your cigar.
 
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