Feeling shocked

John99 said:
yeah, i know you say it is muscle. The PROBLEM with that is:

1. No physical evidence
2. There are muscles thoughout the body. Only problem here is - no muscle exists in this spot, between pectoral muscles.
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Heh! I must say that you are certainly showing your lack of anatomical knowledge. I'm still laughing at how you mistook the word physiological for philosophical early on. :D It's pretty bad to not know the difference.

There's very strong evidence throughout your whole posting in this thread that you just aren't up to the task of understanding what's been presented to you in it. Sorry. You should find a totally different subject to delve into - one that you at least know something about.
 
Being shocked can be both a negative or positive reaction.

I feel the Positive reaction like I was just jump-started in the brain.
 
Klippymitch said:
Being shocked can be both a negative or positive reaction.

I feel the Positive reaction like I was just jump-started in the brain.
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Thanks for your input. So you dont fell it where i have been describing it? Now I am looking into weather the lungs play a part in this, possibly at the very top.

Read-Only said:
I'm still laughing at how you mistook the word physiological for philosophical early on. :D There's very strong evidence throughout your whole posting in this thread that you just aren't up to the task of understanding what's been presented to you in it. Sorry. You should find a totally different subject to delve into - one that you at least know something about.
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I knew the fifference from when i was a child, must have been a mis-communication. I dont care how i look on this board and neither should anyone else, we are here to learn new things and maybe discover something new in the process, which is no easy task. Your responses are vague and full of conjecture, NOT what i am looking for. You just may not be effected in the same way, this is possible and is a vital part of my research. I say it is possible but highly doubtful, there is the possibility of it becoming less intense with age.

I think this is going to be really big. I have come up with a new observation relating to this but presently is beyond the scope of this thread
 
What started out as an interesting observation has gotten blown out of proportion and a satirical perspective added. The intention was to examine this further and maybe get a difinitive answer.
 
John99 said:
What started out as an interesting observation has gotten blown out of proportion and a satirical perspective added. The intention was to examine this further and maybe get a difinitive answer.
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Just feel free to go right ahead, John. No one can stop you, of course. But remember that you won't be the first to waste your efforts lilting at windmills. Attempting to rediscover what is already known is about the most foolish waste of time, effort and energy that anyone can imagine.
 
John99 said:
Do you have an aversion to research?
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Nope - unless it's plain foolish research to "rediscover" what is already well doucumented and understood. As I suggested earlier, why don't you try something that ISN'T completely understood (and I mean by everyone else - not just you).

By the way, have you noticed that I'm about the only one left who will even bother talking to you? Just about everyone else seem to have written you off as a loss - and I'm quickly coming to that point also. That's because you seem to learned nothing from the facts presented to you and appear determined to thrash around blindly while ignoring solid information. Too bad.
 
Read-Only said:
By the way, have you noticed that I'm about the only one left who will even bother talking to you? Just about everyone else seem to have written you off as a loss - and I'm quickly coming to that point also. That's because you seem to learned nothing from the facts presented to you and appear determined to thrash around blindly while ignoring solid information. Too bad.
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Just in this thread. They dont know what to make of it i guess.

I have to say you are a bit of a pessimist. I am not concerned with making mistakes, you have just repeated the same thing over and over. I am looking for an anatomically correct answer from anyone but preferably a medical professional.

And i do not see the benefit of discouraging people from posting.
 
John99 said:
Just in this thread. They dont know what to make of it i guess.
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Nope, wrong again. I believe they see is as worthless as I do. Nothing to be gained from it.

I have to say you are a bit of a pessimist. I am not concerned with making mistakes, you have just repeated the same thing over and over. I am looking for an anatomically correct answer from anyone but preferably a medical professional.
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Not a pessimist in the least - by choice, I deal with real and solid information - not mumbo-jumbo like you are doing. And I HAVE had some professional medical training - something that you seem to lack entirely. Even the very rudimentary stuff they teach in just about every public school.

And i do not see the benefit of discouraging people from posting.
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Are you talking about me? I'm not discouraging anyone - you've done that yourself in this silly thread. People make their own choices and I've never even suggested to anyone not to participate. It appears they just decided it wasn't worth the effort in this case.
 
John99 said:
Oh, that is very convincing.:rolleyes: What muscles, what chemicals, what nerves? Read-Only thinks it is the heart.
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Convincing? You mean like you are?
Now:
1. I am not doing your research for you.
2. I gave you several starting points to look into so don't say I didn't give you anything.
3. If you are not prepared to look properly at other peoples posts what on earth makes you think I'm going to look anything up and post it just for you to ignore?
Has nothing to do with the heart,
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Can you prove that? Does heart rate not change at all when this 'shock' occurs?
cannot see how it could be muscles,
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So you have no muscles or organs in that part of your body? You poor creature.:rolleyes:
If there is no suitable explanation then in a week or two i will give it a name to make this advancement official. AND this thread will be official documentation.
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Suit yourself. You won't get far unless you yourself have proof of this thing you're going to name? Including why it couldn't possibly be what you've already been given.
Yeh good luck with that.
 
Anti-Flag said:
Convincing? You mean like you are?
Now:
1. I am not doing your research for you.
2. I gave you several starting points to look into so don't say I didn't give you anything.
3. If you are not prepared to look properly at other peoples posts what on earth makes you think I'm going to look anything up and post it just for you to ignore?

Can you prove that? Does heart rate not change at all when this 'shock' occurs?

So you have no muscles or organs in that part of your body? You poor creature.:rolleyes:

Suit yourself. You won't get far unless you yourself have proof of this thing you're going to name? Including why it couldn't possibly be what you've already been given.
Yeh good luck with that.
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Yeah, he just ignores everything presented to him and continues on his pointless way. No point in trying to help him any further that I can see. :shrug:
 
John99 said:
Anti-Flag said:
Can you prove that? Does heart rate not change at all when this 'shock' occurs?

So you have no muscles or organs in that part of your body? You poor creature.:rolleyes:
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Sometimes the heart rate changes and sometimes it does NOT. No there are no muscles present in that part of the body.

http://academic.kellogg.cc.mi.us/herbrandsonc/bio201_McKinley/f11-1a_body_musculature_c.jpg
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Poor, poor John. The only person alive that I know of that has no Pec muscles! :D

The Pecs attach to the humerus near the shoulder joint and originate on the breastbone in the center of the chest.

The fibers of the Pectoralis muscles run like a fan across the chest. The fan-like structure of the Pecs allows the humerus to move in a variety of planes across the body.

The Pectoralis Minor muscle is located underneath the pectoralis major muscle, attaching to the coracoid process of the scapula and originating on the middle ribs.

How come you don't have those, John? The rest of us do. And those ARE the precise muscles that produce the effect that completely eludes your understanding. That's just basic anatomy 101.
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ha ha ha. Now we are getting someplace...FIBERS - I can buy that. Given the location i would say that is the most obvious guess. Do you know of any documentation?
 
John99 said:
ha ha ha. Now we are getting someplace...FIBERS - I can buy that. Given the location i would say that is the most obvious guess. Do you know of any documentation?
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Sure - TONS of it! (Evidently beside not paying attention in class, you must never have seen a single commercial on TV about body building or exercising.):D

Just do a quick Google on "chest muscles" or "pectorals" and you'll find more than you could ever read in a lifetime. And it's NO guess - obvious or otherwise - it's what we've been trying to tell you all along but you just refuse to listen. That's a sign of something I'd rather not name here.;)
 
Read-Only if someone disagrees with your comments, there is no need to call them stupid or to continually bait them in such a manner.

Thank you.
 
Bells said:
Read-Only if someone disagrees with your comments, there is no need to call them stupid or to continually bait them in such a manner.

Thank you.
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You are quite welcome. Now please go back and show me where I ever called HIM stupid. The approach, the idea - yes - but never even once HIM personally. It's my understanding of the forum rules (please correct me if I'm mistaken) that there is no harm done in labeling such things as being stupid or similar.
 
Read-Only said:
You are quite welcome. Now please go back and show me where I ever called HIM stupid. The approach, the idea - yes - but never even once HIM personally. It's my understanding of the forum rules (please correct me if I'm mistaken) that there is no harm done in labeling such things as being stupid or similar.
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Re-read the thread and your posts. While you did not use the word "stupid", you made things and your opinion of him quite clear.

He did not agree with your anatomical description of the reaction of shock, so be it. Instead of the long and varied descriptions of the major and minor pecs, you could have pointed out that there are ligaments and blood vessels that would play a major part in the tight feelings one feels when shocked, that do run across the middle of the chest. And for your information, the middle of the chest does not have any muscle going across it. The pecs are down either side over the rib cage. That was all he wanted to know.
 
Bells said:
Re-read the thread and your posts. While you did not use the word "stupid", you made things and your opinion of him quite clear.

He did not agree with your anatomical description of the reaction of shock, so be it. Instead of the long and varied descriptions of the major and minor pecs, you could have pointed out that there are ligaments and blood vessels that would play a major part in the tight feelings one feels when shocked, that do run across the middle of the chest. And for your information, the middle of the chest does not have any muscle going across it. The pecs are down either side over the rib cage. That was all he wanted to know.
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Well,make up your mind, Bells. First you said I actually called him stupid and now you clearly admit that I did not.

But not to worry in the least; I'm totally finished with discussing any topic with him. Never ever again. Fin.
 
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