Feeling shocked
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I am not 'looking' for a specific answer to prove anything. The fact is you have also identified this phenomenon. Now if i can pinpoint it i can name it- John (something).
The soul has supernatural connotations and unless we can accurately diagnose this occurance then we will have to acknowledge it is not physically discernable with modern methodology.
John, just pause and think for a minute and think about how silly that sounds! Independent of the nervous (CNS) system?!?!?!?! That's simply absurd right on the very face of it. Nothing - absolutely NOTHING that happens inside our bodies is independent of the CNS. You received a stimulus (visual or auditory) - that's a function of the CNS to convey that information to your brain for processing. The brain responded - another CNS function. It sent signals to parts of your body - yet another function of the CNS.
Now if you could claim (and prove!) that all that could happen WITHOUT your eyes or ears or brain or nerve fibers you might have something completely unheard up. But that's certainly not the case here. Even if you wanted to make some stupid connection to something like ESP (which is a big joke), I hope you realize that still involves the brain which is very much a part of the CNS.
Why are you attempting to "research" something that is already well-known and well understood. The symptoms ARE isolated - it's the heart, diaphragm, chest and abdominal muscles. Just like your responders have said.
Do you wonder why those are involved? The increase in heart rate should be obvious. The others to slow any loss on blood that might occur due to wounds.
The whole thing is JUST that simple - there's nothing more to be figured out about it. You're just spinning your wheels trying to understand what thousands and thousands of people already know. (Personally, I call such a complete waste of time foolishness. Find something that IS new to put your efforts into.)
Well it appears physiological reasons have already been explained by other posters which; seeing as you don't agree with them, only leaves supernatural explainations, so I threw one up.:shrug:
Chemicals/muscles/nerves. I'm relatively sure the answer you're seeking lies in there somewhere.
Yeah, he seems to be ignoring some very basic information, So if it IS something supernatural I can be counted out of this discussion as of right now. There's no reason to resort to nonsense when the explanation is clear, simple and proven a million times over. Nonsense is nonsense and not worth my time.
Oh, that is very convincing.
What muscles, what chemicals, what nerves? Read-Only thinks it is the heart.Has nothing to do with the heart, cannot see how it could be muscles, flight-orfight is a catch phrase that is so vague as to be useless. So please give me the answer.
If there is no suitable explanation then in a week or two i will give it a name to make this advancement official. AND this thread will be official documentation.
Oh, that is very convincing.
Has nothing to do with the heart, cannot see how it could be muscles, flight-orfight is a catch phrase that is so vague as to be useless. So please give me the answer.
If there is no suitable explanation then in a week or two i will give it a name to make this advancement official. AND this thread will be official documentation.
Now you're being just plain silly. I told you clearly that it was more than just the heart - and WHY. But your refusal to accept what has long been common knowledge proves beyond a doubt that you have NO clue as to what you are talking about. :bugeye: If you want to give it new name, go ahead - the world will laugh at you and not be amused. Why don't ypu go ahead and give new names to many other well-known things while you at it? Might as well, you seem to like trying to reinvent the wheel.
The symptoms have been described already in the thread in fair detail. It's precisely what almost everyone calls being shocked or startled. Why list them again?
Because you didn't render the specific description that johnny is looking for.
Guess it is too hard to articulate. What can it be?
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In case you didn't catch it, he attached a sarcastic emoticon.
{heavy sigh} It's not at all hard. Just read back through the posts I and others gave you in response. Practically everything is there as far as the "feelings" go.
This is becoming a little boring since you don't seem to be paying any attention to what's been written. {another heavy sigh}
"...Like your mom finding out you did something bad and as you get caught and realize you are caught the shock is felt in center of the chest, more specifically right inline with the heart but in the center so it is not the heart that is doing this. I know i my example is not that great but it is the first thing i thought of, the thing is it happens only when the experience is negative.
I guess that is where the terms 'shock\shocked\shocking' comes from but has the mechanics of this been identified?
There is nothing there except the very top portion of the lungs and rib cage and the depth of the feeling is hard to gauge but feels closer to the surface....furthermore, i am not even 100% certain that everyone is effected in the same way, but i think they are."
sounds like plain ol' guilt to me - it's the "you did something bad and as you get caught" that suggests that.- we are taught what is "bad" so, if you figure out what's right for you, not what someone else thinks, and you behave according to your own sense of things, this feeling probably won't occur too much
I guess that is where the terms 'shock\shocked\shocking' comes from but has the mechanics of this been identified?
There is nothing there except the very top portion of the lungs and rib cage and the depth of the feeling is hard to gauge but feels closer to the surface....furthermore, i am not even 100% certain that everyone is effected in the same way, but i think they are."
sounds like plain ol' guilt to me - it's the "you did something bad and as you get caught" that suggests that.- we are taught what is "bad" so, if you figure out what's right for you, not what someone else thinks, and you behave according to your own sense of things, this feeling probably won't occur too much
Picture a horizontal line across your chest
No, that's not even adequate, too puny. Much better is to picture a steel band - that is suddenly tightened!
And since there isn't a physical steel band, of course, what must it be? Muscles, of course!! Just as I've been saying all along.
And exactly what is it that controls those muscles? Once again - as I've been saying - the CNS! The brain sends out electrical impulses over the nerves that cause the muscles to quickly contract.
I see absolutely no reason for your insistence on thinking that you've "discovered" something new about the human body. You are riding a dead horse to nowhere. A complete and total waste of time.
Forget about all that.
Have you any evidence to back that up?
Draw a horizontal line across the chest connecting the two papillae, then another vertical line from the head to the lower torso. The spot in question is at the intersection of the two lines, almost precisely placed.
This leads to another question. Is it possible for an otherwise tangible object to be beyond the abilities of human vision or human recognition? Even when using artificial means. Not microscopic or too small to see but beyond our ability to view or perceive with any of our senses, to be precisely identified or realized by the mind.
flynch, guilt is an emotion. This is primarily physical and possibly emotional as secondary consequence. Dont read into the fear or guilt aspect, another example is turning your head and seeing someone that you are surprised to see but NOT a life altering experience.
Have you any evidence to back that up?
Draw a horizontal line across the chest connecting the two papillae, then another vertical line from the head to the lower torso. The spot in question is at the intersection of the two lines, almost precisely placed.
This leads to another question. Is it possible for an otherwise tangible object to be beyond the abilities of human vision or human recognition? Even when using artificial means. Not microscopic or too small to see but beyond our ability to view or perceive with any of our senses, to be precisely identified or realized by the mind.
flynch, guilt is an emotion. This is primarily physical and possibly emotional as secondary consequence. Dont read into the fear or guilt aspect, another example is turning your head and seeing someone that you are surprised to see but NOT a life altering experience.
Sorry, but you are still just thrashing around aimlessly while the real answer to your question has been given time and again. Do you have some sort of aversion to solid and correct information????
yeah, i know you say it is muscle. The PROBLEM with that is:
1. No physical evidence
2. There are muscles thoughout the body. Only problem here is - no muscle exists in this spot, between pectoral muscles.
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