Fatwa to wipe evil Israeli regime off the map!

[Norsefire]

No it means that each tribe has at least one Casino of its own, as I pointed out the 500 Nations list is just the major Casinos, in my State there are little Hole in the Wall Casinos all over the place, the one I listed are the one with convention facilities, Hotels, Golf Courses, Restaurants, and full package accommodations for their guests, dam Kadark, I live here, and I am a blood brother to the Ojibway Tribe, Bear, Clan, Sundee Family, I have seen the checks that he receive quarterly as his share of the Tribes earnings from the Casinos, not just one but a dozen from the Grand Casino, to the Hole in the Wall size ones.

Now yes there are still Indians who have trouble, but it isn't from lack of Tribal resources, its because they themselves are screwing up their lives, just like in the rest of America, every Tribe now has programs to help with alcoholism, drug addiction, getting work, they have free health clinics for all the Tribal members, any tribe member can get a job at the casinos, first preference, but guess what the Tribes have to look outside the Tribe to have enough employees to run the Casinos, the Tribal members get a profit sharing check no matter what, that is the funniest thing about the whole situation, that the Tribes to have enough employees to run their Casinos, have to go off reservation to get them.

Nonetheless, this makes up for lost land and lives?

 

[John99]

Nonetheless, this makes up for lost land and lives?

Are you the only person living on land your ancestors first appeared on?

 

[Norsefire]

Are you the only person living on land your ancestors first appeared on?

I don't understand.

I am Pheonician, and West Syria where I come from is Phoenician

 

[superstring01]

I don't understand.

I am Phoenician, and West Syria where I come from is Phoenician

Bullshit. You are the descendant of Phoenician conquerers / colonists who sub-planted some other people living there, moreover, Syria has been conquered and invaded by numerous empires-- all of whom have contributed their individual genetic makeup to what you are today. Like all people, your homeland sits upon the graves of millions of conquered and slaughtered people.

~String

 

[S.A.M.]

Bullshit. You are the descendant of Phoenician conquerers / colonists who sub-planted some other people living there, moreover, Syria has been conquered and invaded by numerous empires-- all of whom have contributed their individual genetic makeup to what you are today. Like all people, your homeland sits upon the graves of millions of conquered and slaughtered people.

~String

How do you know he is not a descendent of the supplanted people?

 

[Norsefire]

Bullshit. You are the descendant of Phoenician conquerers / colonists who sub-planted some other people living there, moreover, Syria has been conquered and invaded by numerous empires-- all of whom have contributed their individual genetic makeup to what you are today. Like all people, your homeland sits upon the graves of millions of conquered and slaughtered people.

~String

Then what is original Syrian? Assyrians? Phoenicians? Arabs?

I descend from the Phoenicians, and consider myself an Arab.

 

[superstring01]

How do you know he is not a descendent of the supplanted people?

That's what I'm saying: He IS a descendant from them all.

Then what is original Syrian? Assyrians? Phoenicians? Arabs?

I descend from the Phoenicians, and consider myself an Arab.

Good. Wonderful. I don't give a rat's ass what you "consider" yourself. I'm talking about your NATION and PEOPLE, all of which exist on a plot of land that was most certainly the property of someone who was invaded and conquered numerous times.

~String

 

[S.A.M.]

That's what I'm saying: He IS a descendant from them all.

Then its not supplanting, its assimilation. Supplanting implies deliberate genocide to maintain ethnicity. And millions? Was there ever such a population there at the time?

 

[superstring01]

Then its not supplanting, its assimilation. Supplanting implies deliberate genocide to maintain ethnicity. And millions? Was there ever such a population there at the time?

Okay. Thousands.

Are you telling me that because I have 1/16 Cherokee in me that the USA can make the claim that it didn't "wipe out" the Indians but assimilated them? C'mon.

Negative. The cultures that "sub-planted" the previous one may not have exterminated every last vestige of the previous biology/culture, but nations have long existed on the bones of previously conquered peoples.

~String

 

[S.A.M.]

Okay. Thousands.

Are you telling me that because I have 1/16 Cherokee in me that the USA can make the claim that it didn't "wipe out" the Indians but assimilated them? C'mon.

Negative. The cultures that "sub-planted" the previous one may not have exterminated every last vestige of the previous biology/culture, but nations have long existed on the bones of previously conquered peoples.

~String

According to archaelogists, Syrians are a people of Levant origin and arguably the oldest civilised people. So I fail to see where you have an argument, that is all.

And your argument about Cherokee blood would apply if there was not a known history of subversion and genocide of the native American people.

 

[superstring01]

According to archaeologists, Syrians are a people of Levant origin and arguably the oldest civilized people. So I fail to see where you have an argument, that is all.

And your argument about Cherokee blood would apply if there was not a known history of subversion and genocide of the native American people.

Are you telling me that there is NO history of subversion and genocide in Syria? Not ever? And during and before the dawn of history, people didn't conquer and slaughter over land in Syria?

My point is this: despite how "old" Syrian society is, it is still an amalgam of numerous cultural contributions (hmmm... what language do they speak? Arabic? Did it originate there?) and conquests. Norse, like you and me, lives on conquered land, land which was taken from someone before them, and before them, and before them, ad nauseum.

~String

 

[S.A.M.]

Are you telling me that there is NO history of subversion and genocide in Syria? Not ever? And during and before the dawn of history, people didn't conquer and slaughter over land in Syria?

My point is this: despite how "old" Syrian society is, it is still an amalgam of numerous cultural contributions (hmmm... what language do they speak? Arabic? Did it originate there?) and conquests. Norse, like you and me, lives on conquered land, land which was taken from someone before them, and before them, and before them, ad nauseum.

~String

Yeah, but Syria has not in its history that I have read, committed mass genocide or extermination of any population group.

Do you know otherwise?

 

[Norsefire]

Syria has been part of many Empires, but ultimately the native people who settled there were the Phoenicians.

 

[superstring01]

Yeah, but Syria has not in its history that I have read, committed mass genocide or extermination of any population group.

Do you know otherwise?

The Hittites were too long ago, but we do know of their use of genocide to send messages. They concquered western [modern] Syria.


I know that the Roman conquerers, Catholic Crusaders, Seljuk Turks and later Ottomans had zero compunction about wiping villages. The Romans and Crusaders were especially fond of killing off all the men in the village and then raping the women. I'm pretty sure that through the obscurity of the ages, Norse had some Roman as well as "other" external blood contributed to his makeup.

After Islam spread to Syria and after the death of the first three Imams, Syrian land was finally awarded to Muslim rulers who were accustomed (and forbidden under the first three Imams) to receiving land as a reward for their efforts. Though Islam was not, as of then, forced upon the conquered populous, those Arab invaders certainly added their own tint to the local skin color.

~String

 

[Norsefire]

This has to do with the natives, though, and they are the Phoenicians.

 

[superstring01]

This has to do with the natives, though, and they are the Phoenicians.

Yes, and how many of you still worship Phoenician gods, speak Phoenician and use the Phoenician alphabet?

None, I suspect.

You're culture has more in common with Arab culture than anything that used to be Phoenician. Call yourselves Jupiterians for all I care-- you're still Arab. You may have Phoenician ancestors, but having a great-great-great-[multiply]-grandmother who got laid by a Phoenician guy doesn't make you a Phoenician, any more than I'm a Cherokee Indian.

~String

 

[S.A.M.]

Yes, and how many of you still worship Phoenician gods, speak Phoenician and use the Phoenician alphabet?

None, I suspect.

You're culture has more in common with Arab culture than anything that used to be Phoenician. Call yourselves Jupiterians for all I care-- you're still Arab. You may have Phoenician ancestors, but having a great-great-great-[multiply]-grandmother who got laid by a Phoenician guy doesn't make you a Phoenician, any more than I'm a Cherokee Indian.

~String

Just as your culture has little to do with the Cherokees I suspect. But do you consider yourself subverted?

How far do you identify with the 1/16th Cherokee?

The native Americans who do identify with the Cherokees, do they feel the same about it as you do?

 

[S.A.M.]

The Hittites were too long ago, but we do know of their use of genocide to send messages. They concquered western [modern] Syria.


I know that the Roman conquerers, Catholic Crusaders, Seljuk Turks and later Ottomans had zero compunction about wiping villages. The Romans and Crusaders were especially fond of killing off all the men in the village and then raping the women. I'm pretty sure that through the obscurity of the ages, Norse had some Roman as well as "other" external blood contributed to his makeup.

After Islam spread to Syria and after the death of the first three Imams, Syrian land was finally awarded to Muslim rulers who were accustomed (and forbidden under the first three Imams) to receiving land as a reward for their efforts. Though Islam was not, as of then, forced upon the conquered populous, those Arab invaders certainly added their own tint to the local skin color.

~String

I thought the Hittites were part of Turkey?

You're reaching. That is like saying the native Americans marginalised in American society today are to blame for their own genocide, since they may have a Caucasian ancestor somewhere along the line. Or the Jews are to blame for their own Holocaust, since one of their ancestors may be related to the Nazis.

 

[superluminal]

...the native Americans marginalised in American society today are to blame for their own genocide, since they may have a Caucasian ancestor somewhere along the line. Or the Jews are to blame for their own Holocaust, since one of their ancestors may be related to the Nazis.

So evolution is evil! I knew it...

 

[superstring01]

Just as your culture has little to do with the Cherokees I suspect. But do you consider yourself subverted?

You make my point for me. I'm Anglo-Saxon through and through. I may have some "conquered" blood in the form of Cherokee Indians (did I also mention that my French and German ancestors were ruthlessly slaughtered by those evil Italians?), but the dominant cultural identity is that of the English and Germans.

How far do you identify with the 1/16th Cherokee?

Not one bit. Beyond touting the proud history of the Phoenicians, how much does Norse have in common with them. Or did you two just ignore the writing/language question?

The native Americans who do identify with the Cherokees, do they feel the same about it as you do?

Some of them [perhaps, many] see white men as invaders. I'm not justifying the indignities suffered upon Native Americans, only pointing out the pointlessness of wallowing in guilt over the demise of their society.

I thought the Hittites were part of Turkey?

Duh. But do you think that they didn't invade Syria (I'm not sure if you knew this, but Syria is right next door).

That is like saying the native Americans marginalized in American society today are to blame for their own genocide

SAM, I'm thinking you're really not all that intelligent if you can't read the obvious. I never said or implied such a thing, only that each culture that exists today is the decedent of a previous culture that slaughtered people before them and it isn't such a universally horrible thing to admit that we are all descended from people who did horrible things to bring us into existence.

Or the Jews are to blame for their own Holocaust, since one of their ancestors may be related to the Nazis.

Sure. Whatever helps you twist this story into something a little more digestible to you.

To simplify the point for you, again (what's this, like the fourth time?): Norse's identification with Phoenician culture would be as specious as me identifying with Cherokee culture because NEITHER of us are even close to either of them genealogically or linguistically speaking. We are descended from victors who sub-planted those cultures with "foreign" religions, traditions, languages, writing, genes and ideologies.

~String