Fat People's View on Skinny

Bells said:
I did.

I was questioning his apparent need (gleaned from the manner in which he worded the comments that I quoted) to make fun of overweight people.

The question remains. Why do we need to make fun of fat people? Or skinny people? Or anyone for that matter because of how they look or how much they weigh?

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Would you call that child obese? Or even fat? She was 10 month old when that photo was taken and she was well within her healthy weight range. Her doctors all think that she is healthy and in no way fat or even close to being overweight. But her mother was placed in a position of having to remove her from her daycare centre because the staff there referred to her as "fat and obese", and she was concerned they would start to withhold her food in their bid to get her to lose weight. Knowing the day care centre chain involved, it wouldn't be surprised if they did try to withhold her food because of their own perceptions.



There is this perception that everyone must be skinny to be healthy. It's wrong. My father is skinny and has high cholesterol and high blood pressure. I have a friend who is over-weight and he has absolutely normal cholesterol and blood pressure.
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Precisely, and she's a perfect, cute little girl, even if she is a chunky little beast. :D
 
How many people especially women are truly happy with their own bodies? I would guess not all that many. If they were plastic surgery wouldn't be booming.

I skimmed through the thread and there seems to be a lot of bickering back and forth, especially between Mike and Orleander no surprise.

I don't know about you guys but I have my own body issues, I am not thrilled with so laughing at others isn't high on my list of things to do.

I mean everyone is vain to some point and will find faults in others. What I can't stand are gorgeous ppl who walk around like they are such hot shit laughing and making fun of less attractive ppl without giving a second thought to hurting their feelings.

I wasn't aware there were so many supermodels in sciforums... :rolleyes:

I don't get the hostility....Nobody is forcing you to date someone like that. Maybe some of these ppl have been laughed at and picked on so much that they are so depressed
they don't even have a shred of self esteem left to even try to do anything anymore. :shrug:


Some men prefer stick, anorexic looking women. I don't find that attractive in the least.

Some women don't like short men or bald men.....etc

To each his own.
 
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takandjive said:
Precisely, and she's a perfect, cute little girl, even if she is a chunky little beast. :D
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She's healthy and there is nothing wrong with her. If I were her mother, I'd be angry too if the people charged with looking after her in her daycare centre referred to her as huge and obese. Especially if there is a risk that they would try to lower her food intake to make her lose weight. Looks can be deceiving. She is chubby, as most babies that age are. I remember when my eldest was that age, he looked just as chubby with rolls on his arms and legs. Now he is 3 and so tall and skinny that we can see his bones, but he too is within his healthy weight range. Our youngest, who just turned two (my baby's growing up:bawl: ) is short and chubby looking and he is also within his healthy weight range.

Labeling children, especially that young, can lead to horrible repercussions later on in life for those children.

I mean everyone is vain to some point and will find faults in others. What I can't stand are these gorgeous ppl who think they are such hot shit that they will laugh and make fun of less attractive ppl without giving a second thought to hurting their feelings.
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Bingo.

People who are morbidly obese deserve compassion and understanding. Not humiliation and derision. Sometimes bordering on hatred. It says more about them then the person who is obese.
 
mikenostic said:
Are you handing out frequent flyer miles with this obvious guilt trip you're trying to send everyone on? Really?
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Actually, it was intended to prevent any talk of being overweight having no consequences.

If I wanted to make anyone feel guilty, I would have mentioned that a contributing factor to her weight problem would have been an alcoholic husband who couldn't be counted on. This meant she had to get a decent job to keep food on the table. As a dispatcher for the California Highway Patrol, she was able to keep the family fed, and later provide as a single mother. Unfortunately, it is a stressful job, and shift work is also bad for your health. The chronic sleep deprivation caused by disrupting your sleep cycle leads to quite a few health issues.

At one point, she was taking care of her terminally ill mother, while getting very little help at home from two lazy teen age boys, and working full time. This all came at the cost of her long term health.

I have to remind myself of this when she takes me out to eat when I visit, which is just about the only thing she enjoys that she can still do. And when I have to help her out of the restaurant booth, I just grit my teeth and do it. About the only hope she has for losing weight would be a gastric bypass, and she's pretty well talked herself out of that.
 
Sometimes I watch TLC (The Learning Channel) and just a few weeks ago they had back to back episodes of,

The Half Ton Man
The Half Ton Woman
The Half Ton Teen

It is really extreme and these ppl literally had to be cut out of their homes by fireman and carried out on tarps to an ambulance. I couldn't even imagine, I kept saying I would rather just be dead then have to endure that kind of embarrassment and humiliation.

It's hard to believe that the human body can even get to 800-1000 lbs.

The Half ton Teen story was the worst. The mother was basically keeping her son morbidly obese by feeding him whatever he wanted. She was the enabler and was responsible for almost killing her son. She had lost a younger son and this was her way to keep her other son with her forever. This way he would always have to depend on her and would have to stay in her constant care. It was getting me really mad watching her doing this to her own kid. Finally he went into a hospital and got the care he needed. The hospital staff were worried that even if he lost a lot of the weight the mother would put him right back where he started.

I don't know when I watch those programs I can really feel these peoples pain.

Mike...................
Do you not feel for these ppl at all? The problem is that sometimes you see someone on the street but you don't know anything about them other then what they look like.
You don't know what got them there......and some ppl are legitimately obese due to circumstances in their lives.

What about anorexic ppl? How do you feel about them? Do you make fun of them too?
 
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shorty_37 said:
Some men prefer stick, anorexic looking women. I don't find that attractive in the least.
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Nor do I. I find both extremes very unattractive. I like women that look... oh... just like you, Shorty! ;) (seriously)

But I don't believe people should be ridiculed or discriminated against, based on their "fatness". Regardless of my personal aversion to extremely obese / anorexic chickies... :cool:
 
Everyone has their own personal view of what is healthy and what isn't what one thinks is a healthy weight another says it's ridiculously fat. My little brother wears a size 30 pants and he is really scrawny. So for an adult to wear only one size bigger than his is pretty skinny to me.
 
It seems like making fun of people who are fat is just like bullying. That insecure people feel the need to make fun of others. Because they feel inadequate in someway so they tear others down to feel better about whatever it is that is bothering them. When I ran track I never felt the need to make fun of how much slower other people were than me, but the girl that always came in second to me felt the need to do it all of the time, like she needed them to remind her that she was fast.
 
shorty_37 said:
Some obese ppl are very successful.

For instance one of my favs.....Chris Farley

Chris Farley Motivational Speaker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcR7hr4LLQg

( if you don't laugh there is something wrong with you people LOL)
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Chris Farley was awesome, so was John Candy. Both of whom were obese and both of which died of a heart attack well before their time. If they weren't so overweight, they might still be alive today.
Granted Farley's premature heart attack had some assistance from some blow.
 
takandjive said:
Precisely, and she's a perfect, cute little girl, even if she is a chunky little beast. :D
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Babies that small don't count. I was much chunkier than her at that age, then I started losing all my baby fat between 2 and 3. If they go into kindergarten that chunky, then you should start worrying.

And you and Bells can sit there and say fat babies are cute all you want, it's still not healthy(that goes exponentially moreso for small children than it does adults).
 
mikenostic said:
Babies that small don't count. I was much chunkier than her at that age, then I started losing all my baby fat between 2 and 3. If they go into kindergarten that chunky, then you should start worrying.

And you and Bells can sit there and say fat babies are cute all you want, it's still not healthy(that goes exponentially moreso for small children than it does adults).
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She's healthy. I don't think obesity is cute, but also, I just KNOW children don't overeat unless there's a physical or psychological reason. A friend of mine was sexually brutalized as a child, and was obese. It happens.
 
mikenostic said:
And you and Bells can sit there and say fat babies are cute all you want, it's still not healthy(that goes exponentially moreso for small children than it does adults).
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Maybe it is healthy, I was born thin and the doctors said it was unhealthy for a baby to not have a lot of fat on their bodies. Something about using the energy to grow or something like that. Doctors at least in the late 1980s preferred your baby to fat than to be thin. (I was reading my medical records from when I was a baby few days ago).
 
CutsieMarie89 said:
Maybe it is healthy, I was born thin and the doctors said it was unhealthy for a baby to not have a lot of fat on their bodies. Something about using the energy to grow or something like that. Doctors at least in the late 1980s preferred your baby to fat than to be thin. (I was reading my medical records from when I was a baby few days ago).
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Sorry. Let me rephrase. I agree with you totally about babies needing their baby fat. What I was talking about are small kids(beyond the toddler stage) like the ones in the picture eating McDonalds. No one will ever convince me that that condition and the food they are eating under their condition is healthy. It's not and never will be. That kind of obesity on a child (not so much a baby/toddler) is way more unhealthy and dangerous for a child that is still growing than for a full grown adult.

Mike...................
Do you not feel for these ppl at all? The problem is that sometimes you see someone on the street but you don't know anything about them other then what they look like.
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OMG Shorty. I have made SEVERAL comments in this thread that I have nothing against fat people who are fat because of circumstances beyond their control.
As far as not knowing why they got fat, if I don't know the person, then I usually don't know why they are fat.
If I happen to know a person and that person is obese out of sheer laziness, I have no sympathy for them. None.
If I know them and they are obese due to an accident, genetics or some other misfortune, then I offer all I can to help them with what they need.

You don't know what got them there......and some ppl are legitimately obese due to circumstances in their lives.
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see previous response above

What about anorexic ppl? How do you feel about them? Do you make fun of them too?
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They don't get a break either. Anorexia is just as unhealthy as obesity.
and are you talking about anorexia itself, or the normal girls who starve themselves knowingly and voluntarily?
 
mikenostic said:
Babies that small don't count. I was much chunkier than her at that age, then I started losing all my baby fat between 2 and 3. If they go into kindergarten that chunky, then you should start worrying.

And you and Bells can sit there and say fat babies are cute all you want, it's still not healthy(that goes exponentially moreso for small children than it does adults).
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That's the thing. She's not "fat". She is well within her healthy weight range. Some kids look "chunky" but are not overweight.. ie. they are within their healthy weight range. So appearances can be deceiving.

Children look chunky. It is natural and normal. They have pot bellies, chubby arms and legs well into the time they are toddlers. The only thing that will say whether they are fat or not is their actual weight. A child can appear skinny, but be deemed overweight because his/her weight is above what is considered healthy or normal for his/her height range and age. But a child can appear chunky and fat, but would be considered to be healthy and not overweight, because they fall well within their healthy weight and height range for their age.

So a child might well look like that when they start kindergarten. But looks can be deceiving with children and the one thing that should be looked at is their actual weight, not whether they look fat or not.
 
Bells said:
That's the thing. She's not "fat". She is well within her healthy weight range. Some kids look "chunky" but are not overweight.. ie. they are within their healthy weight range. So appearances can be deceiving.
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Yeah, I corrected myself with marie above.

Children look chunky. It is natural and normal. They have pot bellies, chubby arms and legs well into the time they are toddlers.
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I was noticeably chunkier than that little girl in the picture when I was her age. So yeah, I fully understand that.
 
Every motherfucking busybody gives out to me for being thin, like it's their business. It sucks. Not to mention intolerant teenage girls telling me I look 'scary' because I don't have much body fat, so my muscles are visible.

I hate people.
 
visceral_instinct said:
Every motherfucking busybody gives out to me for being thin, like it's their business. It sucks. Not to mention intolerant teenage girls telling me I look 'scary' because I don't have much body fat, so my muscles are visible.

I hate people.
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those are very smart teenage girls, they know what they are talking about. :) You should watch for your health.
 
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