Carried over from the other messenger thread to open up on Quranic observations.
Good then let’s enjoy the time spent and both of us (and others) can learn a bit.
suggesting a literary or concept of beliefs as being ‘the word,’ is not what defines what a ‘word’…….. is……
that frame you are pointing at is a distinction to a theological belief.
Did you forget, Gabriel? And if Gabriel was doing the talking for God, then why did he not free mankind, then, and have to wait for the ‘days of judgment?’
There is more evidence (naturally) of birds coming from dinosaurs, then you could imagine. SO the evidence is not for God to put on your lap, but for you to be honest enough to seek truth over beliefs; you have your sign and choose to deny.
And about being aware of the signs, the future, the new to come, the days of truth and to seek "warnings"
8. Almost bursting with fury: Every time a Group is cast therein, its Keepers will ask, "Did no Warner come to you?"
9. They will say: "Yes indeed; a Warner did come to us, but we rejected him and said, '(Allah) never sent down any (Message): ye are nothing but an egregious delusion!'"
10. They will further say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we should not (now) be among the Companions of the Blazing Fire!"
see these stories below after reading this post
I suggested, the promises from the prophets was not fulfilled and the quran is practically all about the future to come. That Muhammad was not the last.
If you read them books, you will understand this. If you choose not too, that is what the above ‘warner’ item is about. (you either use your mind and think, or you do not, that is your choice not mine)
See:
61. Gardens of Eternity, those which ((Allah)) Most Gracious has promised to His servants in the Unseen: for His promise must (necessarily) come to pass
80. To Us shall return all that he talks of and he shall appear before Us bare and alone.
The whole book is sharing that the same ‘promise’ of old (Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Isaiah), will come. Jesus was not that person, nor was Muhammad, even as other may say so; but another, the last, is what finishes the job. The whole book and the majority of the quran is about this but many just don’t see that..
The true humility to Allah is to trust, that HE will finish the promises!
‘we the people’ (mankind) will know these things and upon ‘understanding’ then the ‘fathers are raised to the flesh’………….
That is what you are not observing as it seems you forgot to observe what the faith to maintain actually is!
I say this because when the truth is found equal to all mankind (as God promised), then ALL of the religions are OVER. So from each sect, they have had ‘prophets’ that said they see a man that comes to destroy them and the ‘truth’ being upon the ‘heads’ of each person (as God promised) will remove the power from ALL of the belief systems. (across the globe)
That is why ALL of the real prophets did not want, follow or begin a religion; the people after them did and in doing so taught that their interpretation was that ‘last word’
That is why, even you are believing that Islam is that final chapter but the fact is, it is not and proven because mankind is not equal, nor did the judgment occur, nor the destruction of the religions, nor the Peace;
none of the true promises that each soul on earth is expecting has occurred and your own book shares them all.
And any who say it is already done, are whom to question. If you are honest and a true seeker of the absolute, then have faith Allah will finish what was promised.
re-read most any book within the Quran now, and keep what you have read herein 'upon your head' and find you have not only been given a fair warning but also the truth
Keep the faith in Allah, not the words written by men as being absolute.
I have no problem with you voicing your beliefs. I have never indicated anything otherwise. I am merely asking for some clarification of your statements.
Good then let’s enjoy the time spent and both of us (and others) can learn a bit.
sorry……… but you are writing to me. Words are ‘a unit of language’The word is not written, it is spoken.
suggesting a literary or concept of beliefs as being ‘the word,’ is not what defines what a ‘word’…….. is……
that frame you are pointing at is a distinction to a theological belief.
just as I was saying; that is a belief, not reality.Furthermore if we accept God as All-Knowing, then we would know, as the Quran tells us also, that the words were with God and God taught them to man through speech.
Did you forget, Gabriel? And if Gabriel was doing the talking for God, then why did he not free mankind, then, and have to wait for the ‘days of judgment?’
Which shares that ‘words’ are not from God, but the creations of mankind; from all over the world, whether written spoken, drawn, painted, etc.....Many societies exist without written words, oral tradition can much earlier than the written tradition.
OK…………and if the bird was to be of such importance to the ‘end of days’ to be aware of truth (a sign); then to suggest the bird is not from dinosaurs, means you are discounting truth based on beliefs and not allowing the truth to be known.How does this prove that birds evolved from pre-existing creation? This is a verse related to convince man of the presence of God, due to the natural world He created for us.
There is more evidence (naturally) of birds coming from dinosaurs, then you could imagine. SO the evidence is not for God to put on your lap, but for you to be honest enough to seek truth over beliefs; you have your sign and choose to deny.
The context of this verse in is the creation of heavens, creatures, and the earth. http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/67.htm
And about being aware of the signs, the future, the new to come, the days of truth and to seek "warnings"
8. Almost bursting with fury: Every time a Group is cast therein, its Keepers will ask, "Did no Warner come to you?"
9. They will say: "Yes indeed; a Warner did come to us, but we rejected him and said, '(Allah) never sent down any (Message): ye are nothing but an egregious delusion!'"
10. They will further say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we should not (now) be among the Companions of the Blazing Fire!"
see these stories below after reading this post
Surat Fatir http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/35.htm
Ya Seen http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/36.htm
Al Ghafir http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/40.htm
Al Mulk http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/67.htm
Now what do you want me to look at here. Provide the verses which you use to support your claim. I will explain it from my view.
I suggested, the promises from the prophets was not fulfilled and the quran is practically all about the future to come. That Muhammad was not the last.
If you read them books, you will understand this. If you choose not too, that is what the above ‘warner’ item is about. (you either use your mind and think, or you do not, that is your choice not mine)
Sure but don’t be getting mad as you begin to read items that are completely different than what you believe:The promise relating to what? Can you find this verse for me here? http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/19.htm
See:
61. Gardens of Eternity, those which ((Allah)) Most Gracious has promised to His servants in the Unseen: for His promise must (necessarily) come to pass
80. To Us shall return all that he talks of and he shall appear before Us bare and alone.
The whole book is sharing that the same ‘promise’ of old (Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Isaiah), will come. Jesus was not that person, nor was Muhammad, even as other may say so; but another, the last, is what finishes the job. The whole book and the majority of the quran is about this but many just don’t see that..
The true humility to Allah is to trust, that HE will finish the promises!
not post death, but on earth.The Quran discusses the post-death coming of the Judgment day and its results (Paradise or Hellfire), that is the last chapter.
‘we the people’ (mankind) will know these things and upon ‘understanding’ then the ‘fathers are raised to the flesh’………….
That is what you are not observing as it seems you forgot to observe what the faith to maintain actually is!
Jesus is not coming back, it is the same ‘soul’ of truth (the spirit of truth) that is to finish the job. (that is the same ‘good’ of Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and all the prophets)The Quran touches briefly on events in our future only once, when mentioning the return of Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him).
because there is no devil, anti Christ, mahdi, dajal………….. it’s all from the same person.It is interesting to note that the Mahdi, nor the Anti-Christ are not mentioned in the Quran, but the Hadith.
I say this because when the truth is found equal to all mankind (as God promised), then ALL of the religions are OVER. So from each sect, they have had ‘prophets’ that said they see a man that comes to destroy them and the ‘truth’ being upon the ‘heads’ of each person (as God promised) will remove the power from ALL of the belief systems. (across the globe)
That is why ALL of the real prophets did not want, follow or begin a religion; the people after them did and in doing so taught that their interpretation was that ‘last word’
That is why, even you are believing that Islam is that final chapter but the fact is, it is not and proven because mankind is not equal, nor did the judgment occur, nor the destruction of the religions, nor the Peace;
none of the true promises that each soul on earth is expecting has occurred and your own book shares them all.
see what I mean…………. Having faith in Allah is to NEVER give up hope in equality, compassion, understanding and world Peace!Thus your argument falls apart when analyzed from the Quranic perspective. The Quran is a book for all time, and cannot be isolated either to the past, present, nor the future.
Surah Al Ma'ida 5:3 "... This day have those who reject faith given up all hope …..
And any who say it is already done, are whom to question. If you are honest and a true seeker of the absolute, then have faith Allah will finish what was promised.
re-read most any book within the Quran now, and keep what you have read herein 'upon your head' and find you have not only been given a fair warning but also the truth
Keep the faith in Allah, not the words written by men as being absolute.