Existence...

[WendyDarling]

To counter something there needs to be something to counter.
Assertions are not logic.
You have not set out any logic (or if you think you have, please point it out, or better yet, lay it out again).
Farting in the philosophy section and seeing the dust move doesn't mean you have offered anything of worth.

Maybe come back when you have a more coherent position and supporting arguments to present.

One question to you. Will you, Baldeee, continue to exist without acting(accordingly)? Yes or no answer.

 

[Baldeee]

One question to you. Will you, Baldeee, continue to exist without acting(accordingly)? Yes or no answer.

So, unable to be meaningful, you resort to playing games.
Ah, well.
Define the words as you're using them, please: what do you consider to be the "you", what do you think it is "to exist", and what is it "to act", and "to act (accordingly)"?
Unless you can do that, my answer is simple: yes or no.

 

[SciWriter]

All, everything perceivable, results from an idea or ideas.

Implementation<-manufacturing<-planning<-thinking<-idea<-mind<-brain<-evolution<-cells<-molecules<-atoms<-stars<-elementaries<-quantum fields<-causeless

 

[river]

Hi-D said: ↑
All, everything perceivable, results from an idea or ideas.

Disagree .

2 million yrs ago , Could you create an idea ? If you did , based on ..

Implementation<-manufacturing<-planning<-thinking<-idea<-mind<-brain<-evolution<-cells<-molecules<-atoms<-stars<-elementaries<-quantum fields<-causeless

 

[river]

Implementation<-manufacturing<-planning<-thinking<-idea<-mind<-brain<-evolution<-cells<-molecules<-atoms<-stars<-elementaries<-quantum fields<-causeless

All of it and more .

Space Ships that have no problem going thousands of miles or kilometers per second . Because of anti-gravity tech.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

All of it and more .

Space Ships that have no problem going thousands of miles or kilometers per second . Because of anti-gravity tech.

Did you just make that up or do you believe it?

 

[river]

river said: ↑
All of it and more .

Space Ships that have no problem going thousands of miles or kilometers per second . Because of anti-gravity tech.

Did you just make that up or do you believe it?

I know . Actually many know . The speeds , accelerations , the materials that can handle all of this and more is .....interesting .

 

[WendyDarling]

Implementation<-manufacturing<-planning<-thinking<-idea<-mind<-brain<-evolution<-cells<-molecules<-atoms<-stars<-elementaries<-quantum fields<-causeless

Um, causeless makes more sense than the reality we live in here on Earth where all things are caused? So something out of nothing is your assertion?

 

[WendyDarling]

Disagree .

2 million yrs ago , Could you create an idea ? If you did , based on ..

I did not create thought, intelligent Creation is thought in action, which created everything and is Existence.

 

[WendyDarling]

So, unable to be meaningful, you resort to playing games.
Ah, well.
Define the words as you're using them, please: what do you consider to be the "you", what do you think it is "to exist", and what is it "to act", and "to act (accordingly)"?
Unless you can do that, my answer is simple: yes or no.

If you have to be theatrical about a simple question, you deserve
not to understand further. I was trying to walk you through the logic but mules will be mules.

 

[WendyDarling]

“Help, I’m stepping into the twilight zone. This is a madhouse...”

Ya know, how many of the ancient philosophers wrote out their philosophy in propositional form?

I really want you all to understand but I am not writing a 1000pg. anthology to explain a couple logical thoughts.

If Yazata understands, maybe he can bridge the gap for the rest of you.

 

[DaveC426913]

I really want you all to understand but I am not writing a 1000pg. anthology to explain a couple logical thoughts.

We get it - it's not rocket surgery...

intelligent Creation is thought in action, which created everything and is Existence.

You're an ID nut.

 

[SciWriter]

Um, causeless makes more sense than the reality we live in here on Earth where all things are caused? So something out of nothing is your assertion?

'Nothing' cannot even be meant.

 

[WendyDarling]

'Nothing' cannot even be meant.

Causeless=nothing

 

[SciWriter]

Causeless=nothing

Causeless = ever and always being extant without cause and without beginning or end = eternal = quantum fields

 

[WendyDarling]

Causeless = ever and always being extant without cause and without beginning or end = eternal = quantum fields

What cause do quantam fields have to produce anything ordered?

Why produce anything? No purpose.

How many things do you produce with no purpose?

 

[SciWriter]

Luckily, no purpose to anything. Experiencing is the only 'benefit'.

 

[Baldeee]

If you have to be theatrical about a simple question, you deserve
not to understand further. I was trying to walk you through the logic but mules will be mules.

Nothing theatrical, just an honest request for you to define the words you're using.
If you were being even remotely serious in your endeavours, or in having a sensible conversation, you would provide such.
But you're not serious.
If you were genuinely trying to explain your logic, you would actually do so.
Set out the logic, please.
Not a question, but the logic.
Set it out as a syllogism if you can... you know, your premises then your conclusion that logically leads from it.
We can then assess whether such logic is valid, and sound.

But you're not serious.
It seems you're just here to push an ID agenda, wrapped up in some attempt at logic I don't even think you understand.
So how on earth are you supposed to explain it to us if you don't have a grasp of it yourself.

 

[DaveC426913]

Why produce anything? No purpose.
How many things do you produce with no purpose?

Wait. SciWriter makes things with purpose - therefore you conclude that God must too?

God is modeled on what humans do?

SciWriter: you poop, right? Everybody poops. Therefore Hi-D will argue that God poops too?

God is modeled after humans? It almost sounds like this God was made in Mankind's image...

So how on earth are you supposed to explain it to us if you don't have a grasp of it yourself.

Indeed. He continually makes statements whose implications he does not think through.

 

[SciWriter]

It almost sounds like this God was made in Mankind's image...

The ancients found themselves here and not there,
Yet to fathom earth, fire, water, and air,
Asking why life was not square, as unfair,
So invented the Bad Role Model’s Care.

They looked unto their calamities,
Their powerful rulers and enemies,
Toward their olden family structure’s way,
Of strict father, and mother with no say.

This Father Notion they based on themselves,
As the best answer that was ever delved:
The demanding Male Mind who was called ‘God’,
An idea for some to this day, well trod.

Answers were needed for them to persist:
They extended the Notion with more myths
And legends into lore layered upon,
Inventing the old scrolls of scripture on

‘God’ brought both fear and comfort in those days,
Making people better through fearsome ways,
Although worse for some—the unchosen tribes,
Protecting their notions, as taught by scribes

A wasteland of superstition plod,
Instantiates a meaning for ‘God’.
Emotion e’er sets up a firm blockade
When thoughts fired more build a stockade.