Evolution:Sex and the single monkey

Darknightness

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Darwin's theory of sexual selection is under attack. The first of four reports from this year's meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science

HOW the peacock got his tail is one of evolutionary biology's best-known fables. It was first told by none other than the master of evolutionary theory himself: Charles Darwin. It is, Darwin said, all down to the fickle, female peahen. Because she prefers to mate with males with the flashiest tails, large-tailed males have more offspring.

What is less well known is that this theory of sexual selection was created as something of a fudge. Darwin proposed it in response to criticism of his broader theory of evolution by natural selection. That explained how an animal (such as a giraffe) became adapted to its environment through natural variations between individuals. Different neck-lengths in giraffes may confer an advantage on those with the longest necks.

The problem with this theory, said Darwin's critics, is that it does not account for animals such as the peacock, the stag beetle and the mandrill (illustrated above), whose males have elaborate and bizarre traits. Far from being adaptations to their environment, these showy traits seem likely to be a disadvantage.

Thus, to explain variations between the sexes, Darwin put forward the theory of sexual selection. Females, he said, are the choosy sex; males compete to win female attention. Evolutionary biologists later came to believe that this difference arose from the different size of the gametes—sperm and eggs. Because female gametes are larger than male gametes, females invest more as parents in producing them and so are pickier in their choice of a mate. Males, on the other hand, produce cheap sperm and are promiscuous.



Everybody's doing it
The problem, says Patricia Gowaty, of the University of Georgia, is that the real world does not work like this. At this year's meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), in Denver, she explained that her experiments with a number of species, in particular fruit-flies and mice, show that males can be just as picky about their sexual partners as females. Joan Roughgarden, of Stanford University, points out that female monkeys often solicit males and are rebuffed. Why should this be, she asks, if sperm are so cheap?

What worries the minority of scientists who are openly challenging sexual-selection theory is that it is unable to account for much of the diversity of sexual behaviour that exists. If, for example, as sexual-selection theory assumes, mating is primarily about sperm transfer, why do some animals mate between a hundred and a thousand times more often than is needed for conception alone? For animals with strong social structures, the answer could be that mating is a public symbol with social consequences. It is used to create and maintain relationships and alliances, and also to obtain sexual gratification.

Dr Roughgarden, however, believes that the basic mistake is to think that a difference in the size of sperm and eggs translates into differences in behaviour and life history. She says that there are many ways in which animals refute the predictions of sexual selection. For one thing, some fish can make both eggs and sperm during their lifetime, so it is difficult to say categorically that an individual is male or female. Even in such fish as the blue-gilled wrasse, whose biological sex is determined at hatching, gender roles (ie, the behaviours typically associated with one sex or the other) are not.

For, besides fish that behave like “normal” males and females, there are “feminised” males—fish that look like females but have male gametes. These reproduce by helping dominant males to mate with females. In doing so, they gain more reproduction opportunities themselves.

The society of blue-gilled wrasse is by no means the most complicated in sexual terms. Animal societies with up to three male genders and two female genders have been described. Even when only two genders exist, there are cases where male choice of females is the norm. For example, sea-horse males incubate the young in a special pouch and thus provide parental investment that is worth competing for if you are female.

Most troubling, perhaps, to the theory of sexual selection, is the high incidence of homosexuality. Homosexual behaviour in animals, though well demonstrated in the literature written by scientists who actually observe what animals get up to, has tended to be glossed over by theoreticians. But Paul Vasey, a researcher at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta, Canada, has spent many years studying both theory and practice in Japanese macaques.

Female macaques often form homosexual consortships. These are temporary but exclusive relationships that involve frequent sexual activity. Females in a consortship will mount each other tens or hundreds of times. In one group that Dr Vasey observed, females mounted each other as often as once every two minutes. Yet his observations suggest these consortships serve no adaptive function. He has spent many years testing hypotheses that might explain the behaviour, such as alliance forming, the relief of social tension and the communication of dominance. There is, he says, not a shred of evidence for any of them. Female mounting behaviour may have evolutionary roots, but he reckons the reason for it now is sexual gratification. That gratification is involved is known because when a female mounts another female she thrusts her pelvis against the mountee and masturbates her clitoris using her tail.

This activity, of course, excludes males. In one study, Dr Vasey found that when male monkeys courted a female involved in a homosexual consortship, 95% of such females rebuffed him and chose to remain with their girlfriend. This suggests, he says, that it is not simply males who are competing for sexual partners, as Darwin's theory predicts, but both males and females. And homosexual behaviour is documented in at least 15 other species, including Canada geese, gorillas, chimpanzees and humans.

Such examples may not be enough to topple sexual selection, and it is likely that this part of Darwin's theory does indeed hold good for many species. But as Dr Roughgarden warns supporters of that theory, although any one of these problems with it might be overlooked, the “sheer number of difficulties is hard to deny. If these are not enough to falsify sexual-selection theory, then what would be?” Sex, it seems, has come a long way since Darwin.




So what are your opinions on the attack of Darwinism? And the theory.
anyone wanna share their insights?
:bugeye:
 
Since Darwin's theory of sexual selection holds for more than most species, I believe that a few examples of species that are odd and do not support the theory do not mean that the theory is incorrect. After all, nature is too diverse to try to predict the science of every species with a single shot. Unless people begin to come up with more disproving examples, my guess is that Darwin's theory will hold.

Good post, Darknightness, and wellcome to sciforums!
 
I will take one point, because I don't have that much time right now.

Originally posted by Darknightness
Everybody's doing it
The problem, says Patricia Gowaty, of the University of Georgia, is that the real world does not work like this. At this year's meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), in Denver, she explained that her experiments with a number of species, in particular fruit-flies and mice, show that males can be just as picky about their sexual partners as females. Joan Roughgarden, of Stanford University, points out that female monkeys often solicit males and are rebuffed. Why should this be, she asks, if sperm are so cheap?

why wouldn't the male sex be allowed to pick a fit mate? Because sperm is cheap? How much effort does it costs to mate with the wrong females? How much time is wasted? Is this a byproduct of species constricted reproduction. males have to be careful with whome they mate because they might mate with a related fruitfly species and have hybrid offspring. It might therefore be more advantagous to be selective.
 
Originally posted by Alien Mastermind
Since Darwin's theory of sexual selection holds for more than most species, I believe that a few examples of species that are odd and do not support the theory do not mean that the theory is incorrect. After all, nature is too diverse to try to predict the science of every species with a single shot. Unless people begin to come up with more disproving examples, my guess is that Darwin's theory will hold.

That's funny, I always thought just one counter example was enough to disprove a theory.
 
Originally posted by nathan_w_cheng
That's funny, I always thought just one counter example was enough to disprove a theory.

no...it may just give more importance to a competing theory. It is a balance thing.
 
Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
no...it may just give more importance to a competing theory. It is a balance thing.

I thought that it meant one of several things:

1) the example has to be shown to be either ill-conceived or misinterpreted;

2) the theory has to be modified to explain the observed phenomenon;

3) the boundaries of the theory have to be restricted and the example shown to be beyond the bounds of the theory;

4) the theory has to be abandoned.
 
Originally posted by nathan_w_cheng
I thought that it meant one of several things:

1) the example has to be shown to be either ill-conceived or misinterpreted;

2) the theory has to be modified to explain the observed phenomenon;

3) the boundaries of the theory have to be restricted and the example shown to be beyond the bounds of the theory;

4) the theory has to be abandoned.


yep. Classical sexual selection is not wholely accurrate. What was stated by spuriousmonkey is that just because we have some examples which disagree with the explicit definition, we don't have to throw the whole idea out.

We need to do number 2, which you listed-modify.

simplest way to modify Sexual Selection theory to accomidat the examples given? Forget the whole "size/number of gametes determine behavior", and reword it so that it says:
"The size and the number of gametes produced by an individual is a major part of determining sexual behavior. however, it is not the only factor. Health of the other individual, availablility of additional, more healthy partners, and other numerous environmental factors can play into the determination of reproducing or not."

as for sex outside of reproduction- individuals who enjoy sex have sex more often, and therefore reproduce more. as time goes on, each successive generation enjoys sex more, and has it whenever possible. There is a point at which having sex more often than the internal reproductive system can produce offspring is reached. There is no specific advantage to having sex less at this point and beyond, so why stop? Until you get to the point where having sex undermines an individuals' ability to survive at all, more sex=better or no net effect.
What is the reproductive advantage to only having sex when it is absolutly needed? Yes, you could reach a point of energy savings wherein you only spend the energy needed to reproduce, and no more. But that ignores a few things:
1)in general, animals produce gametes, whether the reproduce or not. the act of having sex takes less energy than the production of gametes, so to reduce sex for energy conservations reasons pales in comparision to the amount of energy put into gamete production
2)one individual has no way of knowing the exact moment when the other is at the maximum reproductive potential point. So to cover the bases, have sex multiple times during the most likely time frame for reproductive potential, and you're more likely to get offspring.
3)sex, because it is enjoyable, must cause chemical changes in the body and brain. and in fact it does. these chemical changes in the brain make one feel euphoric. so what is the difference between having sex for that feeling, and say, taking drugs? in fact, they are nearly identical. There are effects to having sex which lie outside of reproduction. All of them that I have looked at stemmed from the desire to produce offspring, but they are no longer held 100% within that reguard. so energy input into sex goes beyond reproductive energy. it also goes toward social bonding, and general physical health.
 
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