Einstein-Rosen Bridge Creation

[Kel]

Hello. I am wondering if anyone has any theories on how a stable Einstein-Rosen bridge could be created. If my readings are correct to date the idea was proposed as a possible connection between universes through a black hole and a "white hole" counterpart.
What I dont understand is if such an event could be created. I am trying to understand the physics behind it as well as how much power would be involved. Also would one be able to aim it or would you have to have some sort of preset anchor at the other end? Like a "stargate" for example.

 

[origin]

Hello. I am wondering if anyone has any theories on how a stable Einstein-Rosen bridge could be created. If my readings are correct to date the idea was proposed as a possible connection between universes through a black hole and a "white hole" counterpart.

Not stable

It would connect different locations in the same universe (this one).

What I dont understand is if such an event could be created.

No

I am trying to understand the physics behind it as well as how much power would be involved.

The amount of power would be on the order of "Oh my freaking God!?!"

Also would one be able to aim it or would you have to have some sort of preset anchor at the other end? Like a "stargate" for example.

The Stargate option is only available if Kurt Russell is involved in the operation.

I think these are the right answers to your questions but I am not a physicist so you can take my answers with a grain of salt.

 

[Rav]

It would connect different locations in the same universe (this one).

If you open a wormhole through a black hole and fire an Asgard energy weapon through it, you can use it to travel to any number of alternate universes.

 

[origin]

If you open a wormhole through a black hole and fire an Asgard energy weapon through it, you can use it to travel to any number of alternate universes.

I stand corrected. Ah yes, the old Asgard weapon ploy....

 

[AlexG]

To stablize a worm hole, you need 'exotic matter'.

This is matter which has negative mass and positive surface pressure.

It is also matter which does not exist.

http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/schww.html

 

[Kel]

AlexG: The link you provided was incredibly helpful... My thanks.

Origin and Rav: I may sound like an idiot but Asgard energy weapon? as in Asgardian mythos i.e. Thor, Loki, Odin, Syf, Freya, Valhalla?

 

[origin]

AlexG: The link you provided was incredibly helpful... My thanks.

Origin and Rav: I may sound like an idiot but Asgard energy weapon? as in Asgardian mythos i.e. Thor, Loki, Odin, Syf, Freya, Valhalla?

You do not sound like an idiot, I do. I was fooling around because worm holes are so 'far out there' that they are essentially SF.

I have no idea what an Asgard energy weapon is but it sounds cool and I want one.

 

[Rav]

Origin and Rav: I may sound like an idiot but Asgard energy weapon? as in Asgardian mythos i.e. Thor, Loki, Odin, Syf, Freya, Valhalla?

Sorry. You mentioned wormholes, then you mentioned Stargate, then origin mentioned Kurt Russel. It seemed only natural at that point to bring SG-1 into it.

See: Asgard (Stargate)

 

[scheherazade]

LOL.....

And then you wonder why fewer women than men go into certain of the sciences?

It's because you are always messing with our minds as in the replies to the original poster of this thread.

Actually, your little exchange has been most helpful to my interests of psychology, so for that I thank you.

 

[Kel]

Rav; Now I understand. I have never actually watched SG-1. I am not much of a television fan.

 

[jmpet]

There is no difference between a black hole and a "white" hole... bridging them from distant points in the universe is waaay beyond our understanding.

 

[Kel]

There is no difference between a black hole and a "white" hole... bridging them from distant points in the universe is waaay beyond our understanding.

I thought that a black hole was a gravitational field so strong that once the event horizon was passed nothing, not even light, could escape it. I understand they do emit radiation, but for the most part once it goes in it doesn't come out. A white hole was the theoretical counterpart to a black hole that expelled matter. If a black hole continued to absorb matter and energy without expulsion in some form then would they not grow in size and consume everything.

I am not a physicist and I suck at Math... Actually I am studying to become an english and history teacher. Please forgive my ignorance on certain areas.

 

[origin]

If a black hole continued to absorb matter and energy without expulsion in some form then would they not grow in size and consume everything.

Huh? If matter is pulled into a black hole it will get larger - that is the apparent mass would increase as indicated by an increase in the size of the event horizon.

edited to add - I think I misunderstood. There is a huge black hole near the center of our galaxy. There are stars whipping around the black hole at tremendous speeds but they are not all rushing into the black hole. They are orbiting the black hole in relatively stable orbits. A black hole is not like a drain hole in the universe sucking everything into it. A black hole is just an extremely massive object packed into a vanishingly small area. If the sun were to suddenly be replaced by a black hole of exactly the same mass, the earth would continue its current orbit with little or no change. We would not be sucked into the black hole.

 

[river]

of course if you were advanced enough in the understanding of things , you could control a black-hole , and therefore the power it has

 

[wellwisher]

If you consider a blackhole and a whitehole, if these two connected events are synchronized, they would be connected in time, but not in distance, since both events are too far away for this instantaneous connection. A connection in distance would appear to violate C (time for the energy signal to travel the distance of their connection is nearly zero, due to their synchronization in time). This would violate the speed of light.

To allow this this connection to happen, we first need to dissociate space-time at the blackhole center, into separated distance potential and time potential, so each can act independently. Now we can maintain a common time, for the pair, apart from the C speed distance constraints of connected space-time. We then need sufficient disociated distance potential, for an entropy to mass conversion at the white hole.

The blackhole is lowering entropy, since it is restricting the degrees of freedom of matter into a point (zero entropy or degrees of freedom). A cloud of stella gas has more entropy as a cloud, than after it is squished into a blackhole. The event horizon of the blackhole is trying to increase entropy, so the 2nd law is not violated too much.

In the case of a blackhole and whitehole pair, the event horizon of the blackhole is not able to increase the entropy, as fast as the entropy decreases at the point center. This sets a potential within the universe for entropy to increase elsewhere within the universe, so the second law is not violated. Stella and planary orbits around the blackhole, instead of a crashing into the blackhole for compression, help maintain some additional entropy, but this is still not enough. To suck these into the blackhole would violate the second law even more.

The center of the blackhole undergoes a mass to time conversion. A connstant input of mass can not occupy the same point within space and still remain mass. But time can do this. This excess time potentialwithin space-time will synchonize the white hole.

The time potential, between the blackhole and some random entropy point, tries to connect the entropy potential deficit being generated by the blackhole within distance. If this entropy potential point appears within empty or rarefied space, there is nothing of sufficient substance for entropy to increase as much as is needed. If we picked the center of a star, we do things bettter.

The distance and time potentialwithin the blackhole, will need too undergoes an entropy to mass conversion at the empty formation point of the whitehole. Now the extreme entropy potential deficit, generated by the blackhole, can be expressed, via the rapid ejection of new matter out of the whitehole. Now the net entropy of the universe follows the 2nd law and all is well.

 

[origin]

A cloud of stella gas has more entropy as a cloud, than after it is squished into a blackhole. The event horizon of the blackhole is trying to increase entropy, so the 2nd law is not violated too much.

In the case of a blackhole and whitehole pair, the event horizon of the blackhole is not able to increase the entropy, as fast as the entropy decreases at the point center. This sets a potential within the universe for entropy to increase elsewhere within the universe, so the second law is not violated. Stella and planary orbits around the blackhole, instead of a crashing into the blackhole for compression, help maintain some additional entropy, but this is still not enough. To suck these into the blackhole would violate the second law even more.

The center of the blackhole undergoes a mass to time conversion. A connstant input of mass can not occupy the same point within space and still remain mass. But time can do this. This excess time potentialwithin space-time will synchonize the white hole.

The time potential, between the blackhole and some random entropy point, tries to connect the entropy potential deficit being generated by the blackhole within distance. If this entropy potential point appears within empty or rarefied space, there is nothing of sufficient substance for entropy to increase as much as is needed. If we picked the center of a star, we do things bettter.

The distance and time potentialwithin the blackhole, will need too undergoes an entropy to mass conversion at the empty formation point of the whitehole. Now the extreme entropy potential deficit, generated by the blackhole, can be expressed, via the rapid ejection of new matter out of the whitehole. Now the net entropy of the universe follows the 2nd law and all is well

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Did you just make this up as you went along? This is a science thread not the pseudo-science thread.

 

[AlexG]

If you consider a blackhole and a whitehole, if these two connected events are synchronized, they would be connected in time, but not in distance, since both events are too far away for this instantaneous connection. A connection in distance would appear to violate C (time for the energy signal to travel the distance of their connection is nearly zero, due to their synchronization in time). This would violate the speed of light.

To allow this this connection to happen, we first need to dissociate space-time at the blackhole center, into separated distance potential and time potential, so each can act independently. Now we can maintain a common time, for the pair, apart from the C speed distance constraints of connected space-time. We then need sufficient disociated distance potential, for an entropy to mass conversion at the white hole.

The blackhole is lowering entropy, since it is restricting the degrees of freedom of matter into a point (zero entropy or degrees of freedom). A cloud of stella gas has more entropy as a cloud, than after it is squished into a blackhole. The event horizon of the blackhole is trying to increase entropy, so the 2nd law is not violated too much.

In the case of a blackhole and whitehole pair, the event horizon of the blackhole is not able to increase the entropy, as fast as the entropy decreases at the point center. This sets a potential within the universe for entropy to increase elsewhere within the universe, so the second law is not violated. Stella and planary orbits around the blackhole, instead of a crashing into the blackhole for compression, help maintain some additional entropy, but this is still not enough. To suck these into the blackhole would violate the second law even more.

The center of the blackhole undergoes a mass to time conversion. A connstant input of mass can not occupy the same point within space and still remain mass. But time can do this. This excess time potentialwithin space-time will synchonize the white hole.

The time potential, between the blackhole and some random entropy point, tries to connect the entropy potential deficit being generated by the blackhole within distance. If this entropy potential point appears within empty or rarefied space, there is nothing of sufficient substance for entropy to increase as much as is needed. If we picked the center of a star, we do things bettter.

The distance and time potentialwithin the blackhole, will need too undergoes an entropy to mass conversion at the empty formation point of the whitehole. Now the extreme entropy potential deficit, generated by the blackhole, can be expressed, via the rapid ejection of new matter out of the whitehole. Now the net entropy of the universe follows the 2nd law and all is well.

Meaningless word salad.

 

[Randwolf]

If you consider a blackhole and a whitehole, if these two connected events are synchronized, they would be connected in time, but not in distance, since both events are too far away for this instantaneous connection. A connection in distance would appear to violate C (time for the energy signal to travel the distance of their connection is nearly zero, due to their synchronization in time). This would violate the speed of light.

To allow this this connection to happen, we first need to dissociate space-time at the blackhole center, into separated distance potential and time potential, so each can act independently. Now we can maintain a common time, for the pair, apart from the C speed distance constraints of connected space-time. We then need sufficient disociated distance potential, for an entropy to mass conversion at the white hole.

The blackhole is lowering entropy, since it is restricting the degrees of freedom of matter into a point (zero entropy or degrees of freedom). A cloud of stella gas has more entropy as a cloud, than after it is squished into a blackhole. The event horizon of the blackhole is trying to increase entropy, so the 2nd law is not violated too much.

In the case of a blackhole and whitehole pair, the event horizon of the blackhole is not able to increase the entropy, as fast as the entropy decreases at the point center. This sets a potential within the universe for entropy to increase elsewhere within the universe, so the second law is not violated. Stella and planary orbits around the blackhole, instead of a crashing into the blackhole for compression, help maintain some additional entropy, but this is still not enough. To suck these into the blackhole would violate the second law even more.

The center of the blackhole undergoes a mass to time conversion. A connstant input of mass can not occupy the same point within space and still remain mass. But time can do this. This excess time potentialwithin space-time will synchonize the white hole.

The time potential, between the blackhole and some random entropy point, tries to connect the entropy potential deficit being generated by the blackhole within distance. If this entropy potential point appears within empty or rarefied space, there is nothing of sufficient substance for entropy to increase as much as is needed. If we picked the center of a star, we do things bettter.

The distance and time potentialwithin the blackhole, will need too undergoes an entropy to mass conversion at the empty formation point of the whitehole. Now the extreme entropy potential deficit, generated by the blackhole, can be expressed, via the rapid ejection of new matter out of the whitehole. Now the net entropy of the universe follows the 2nd law and all is well.

I'm not a professional physicist, but I have no idea what you were trying to convey here...

 

[Kel]

So while the creation of a stable Einstein-Rosen bridge (E.R. Bridge for short) to another universe is not possible, what about the creation of an E.R. bridge between fixed points in our own universe. It would allow faster than light travel without violating the relativity theory. Or am I completely mistaken?

 

[AlexG]

Again, you would need non-existent exotic matter to hold the wormhole open.