Economy without fossil fuels

What you totally fail to understand is much more simple than the above. If you are to make hydrogen you must make the electron (that takes 0.511MeV) and as the proton is about 2000 times heaver (a little less, but I forget exact number ?18xx?), the total enery requred to "make hydrogen" is approximately 1000Mev or approxiamtely 1,000,000,000eV.

When you chemically react hydrogen, say burn it in motor to make water, you will get less than 5eV per hydrogen atom.

Thus your recommended process will require about 200 millions times more input energy than you will recover. Whose laughing now! (Everyone should be.)
(Let's just say there was free electrons) Well why don't you keep the proton fixed (not moving) & then shoot an electron then decelerate it below 20eV?

Your recommended process will require about 200 millions times more input energy than you will recover. Whose laughing now! (Everyone should be.)
That wasn't even funny.
Where do you get these protons? The drug store? Most I know of are either already the nucleus of hydrogen or in more complex nuclei. Have you zero knowledge about all this? Or are you just putting us on? Hard to believe anyone could be so ignorant?
You see the + sign on a battery? That's a positive charge. & what particle carries a positive charge? A proton.

Oh, & by the way, what's with this ignorant crap? :confused: Could you plz stop saying that because that word's getting on my ass (after all the times you said it) (No offense).
 
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(Let's just say there was free electrons) Well why don't you keep the proton fixed (not moving) & then shoot an electron then decelerate it below 20eV?...
Where do you get these protons? The drug store? Most I know of are either already the nucleus of hydrogen or in more complex nuclei. Have you zero knowledge about all this? Or are you just putting us on? Hard to believe anyone could be so ignorant?
 
We already have an economy without "fossil" fuels because there is no such thing as "fossil" fuels. Fossil fuels are a myth. The deepest fossil ever discovered was 7382 feet below the sea floor. Yet Transocean drills for oil 30,000 feet below the sea floor. This is below the 15,000 foot oil window limit claimed by the biogenic cult.

"The limit of 15,000 feet is the bottom of the oil window." -- Kenneth Deffeyes, psychopath
 
An interesting set of slides on energy is at:

http://www.martininstitute.ox.ac.uk/jmi-resources/pdfs/kammen3.pdf

They speak of GHG (Green House Gases) but only mention CO2 specifically - as N2O is several hundred times worse GHG, I find this strange.

Also I wonder if any one knows which type of IC engine makes the most GHG - a high or low compression one. I bet the more efficent high-compression one is a worse source of GHG as its higher temperatures produce much more N2O even though it would burn less fuel per mile.

My old 36 HP VW beatle had very low compression, big cylinder diameter, to get its 36 horses. Perhaps, from a GHG POV, it has been all down hill since Dr. Porche designed that motor. Comments?
 
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My old 36 HP VW beatle had very low compression, big cylinder diameter, to get its 36 horses. Perhaps, from a GHG POV, it has been all down hill since Dr. Porche designed that motor. Comments?

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/02/loremo_ag_157_m.php

"The concept is refreshingly simple: make an ultra-efficient car that’s light, has exceptionally low drag, and sips diesel with a small engine. This is the Loremo AG, a car that is a combination of innovative technology and back-to-basics thinking. To be shown at the upcoming car show in Geneva, this German creation claims a fuel economy of 157 mpg with no fancy hybrid drive train, fuel cells, or plug in paraphernalia. Weighing less than a thousand pounds, the sporty rear-wheel drive 4-seater is designed to be maximally aerodynamic. the Loremo sports a modest 2-cylinder, 20 hp turbo diesel motor, has a top speed of 100 mph, and does 0-60 in ten seconds. If that sounds like less than elite performance, the anticipated $13,000 price tag should put it in a bit more perspective. The Loremo is due to come onto the European market in 2009."
 
Fortunately OilisMaster is no longer pushing his nonsense at sciforums, so this is OK thread to post following information (I have no interest in and have not read book) as global economy does neeed to change its basis from fossil fuels:

"...New book titled "Energy Victory: Winning the War on Terror by Breaking Free of Oil," Robert Zubrin describes how a simple congressional directive requiring that every car sold in America be a "Flexible Fuel Vehicle" could rapidly transform our current, intolerable dependence on oil from unreliable sources. Since there are already 6 million of these FFVs on America's highways, there is no technological impediment to making this happen. Since the Big 3 U.S. auto manufacturers have already pledged to make half their models FFVs by 2012, the question is simply, could we do that — and more — faster?

According to Mr. Zubrin, a renowned engineer and widely published author, the pacing item is official certification of the roughly 150 engines on offer to the car-buying public once equipped with sensors that allow them to burn ethanol (from a variety of vegetation, not just corn), methanol (from coal, natural gas, trash or biomass) and/or gasoline. It costs about $1 million to certify each engine. While $150 million sounds like a lot, Mr. Zubrin notes that we pay as much for imported oil in three hours.

If every car sold in America were a Flexible Fuel Vehicle, within three years, 50 million cars here would be able to run on alcohol instead of gasoline. Perhaps another 100 million to 150 million such cars sold elsewhere would have that option. With that sort of potential demand, at current prices for gasoline (nearly $3 per gallon), ethanol (at comparable energy values as much as $2.25 per gallon) and methanol (at comparable energy density, $1.70 per gallon), the free market would provide these (and perhaps other) alternative fuels in large quantities.

Particularly important, such demand would far exceed the ethanol that could be supplied by American corn farmers. They should, therefore, be willing to allow importation of ethanol from other sources without the current tariff that amounts to a crippling $29 per barrel surcharge. With roughly 100 countries around the world enjoying climates that could allow them to grow sugar cane or other biomass they could use to power their own vehicles and help power ours, the world would cease to be dependent on oil-exporting nations, most of whom wish us ill. ..."

FROM: http://washingtontimes.com/article/20071211/COMMENTARY03/112110012/1012/COMMENTARY

I support this very practical idea. In three years Brazil has converted for no "flex fuel" cars to more than 90% of the current domestic production. "Flex fuel" can burn ANY mix, but as it costs now about half as much to drive on alcohol, every flex fuel car is using 100% alcohol. For the US, just making all be capable of 85% alcohol would be good idea, but the $0.54 tarrif / gallon must go or all food production in US stop to make US stop sending dollars to Saudi Arabia for their continued funding of the "religious" schools that produce the terrorist, etc. (15 of 9/11's 19 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia.)

Saudi Royal family has funded both the Bush family's political campaigns and terrorist indroctrination schools for several decades. That is also where gang-rapped girl gets to receive 200 lashes in jail for her "crime" of being outside the house without any male relative escorting her. No woman can legally drive there also.
 
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