East European Ethnocracy

whitewolf said:
I'm glad you see.

Hassidic Jews never tried to fit in in any way. Those who were less religious and more liberal did try, but they were sifted out whenever a population wanted to "purify" itself. I'm not sure why it's so common to believe that Jews' ethnicity has been watered down. There's an unspoken rule that Jews only marry Jews and outsiders are always discouraged from converting to Judaism. They haven't mixed that much.

This rule is common to all conservative, traditional societies. Many Indians who move here seek to arrange marriage for their children with someone from their homeland. Same thing for people from all over USSR, and if they don't seek in the homeland they at least marry someone from another former USSR member. Same for Chinese and Japanese, etc. The Britons are more liberal, but they have little choice left. :D
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Yes, fortunately the "problem" with Muslims has never been as extreme, not until immigrants started moving from war torn countries and were demonised for their beliefs. :)

In fact, Muslims have been emigrating for 1400 years all over the world, while problems with immigrants are a recent and very much a western issue. Probably because of the lack of notions of exclusivity in Islam.

Also, I would say Jewish assimilation depended on the culture they went to. They assimilated very well in China and India for instance, probably due to a culture of inclusiveness.
 
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S.A.M. said:
Yes, fortunately the "problem" with Muslims has never been as extreme, not until immigrants started moving from war torn countries and were demonised for their beliefs. :)

In fact, Muslims have been emigrating for 1400 years all over the world, while problems with immigrants are a recent and very much a western issue. Probably because of the lack of notions of exclusivity in Islam.
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It's not a recent issue with Muslims. It started with the Crusades, went on with Spanish Reconquista, and is still going on now.

The same sentiment is felt for Gypsies.

I can't say this hatred towards Muslims is without any basis. It might be exaggerated, but at least it is mutual. We don't hear of that many fits of multiculturalism in Muslim countries. Muslims try to impose their ways of life on native populations of countries to which they emigrate and that is naturally met with hostility.

India has very bad relations with Pakistan; on which side are you?
 
whitewolf said:
It's not a recent issue with Muslims. It started with the Crusades, went on with Spanish Reconquista, and is still going on now.

The same sentiment is felt for Gypsies.

I can't say this hatred towards Muslims is without any basis. It might be exaggerated, but at least it is mutual. We don't hear of that many fits of multiculturalism in Muslim countries. Muslims try to impose their ways of life on native populations of countries to which they emigrate and that is naturally met with hostility.
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How many Muslim countries have you been to?
And yes, its a western issue. After all colonialism and mass genocide of natives is the western method of immigration, so they look on immigrants who are unlike them with suspicion.

India has very bad relations with Pakistan; on which side are you?
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Not really. We have bad relations with dictators in Pakistan, people have relatives on both sides.
 
It is not a manner of immigration, it is the way of conquering, following Machiavelli's advice to the dot. Whoever is interested in world history and politics should read that piece of work, it is key to understanding why things happened the way they did and why things are the way they are now.
 
well although i am of eastern european descent i have never lived or visited there but if anyone wants to what i think here it goes. the ethnicities in Eastern Europe have been conquered and invaded a lot. so they have a reason for viewing outsiders with a grain of salt. All said and done though some of them have had reputations for tolerence. Look at poland during the crusades there were muslims there but they were never touched
 
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