Val: There are people out there who have never heard of you or the Flower of Life workshops. Could you explain your origins and how you got your last name?
Drunvalo: Well, the origins and where I got my last name are kind of inter- related. First of all, the whole Universe is conscious and alive - completely alive, and has been forever. Everything is not inanimate as it seems - it is just made up of different levels of awareness of consciousness, one way or another. Melchizedek consciousness is just
another aspect of the One consciousness. It was that aspect that stepped into this creation first. It was the first part
of the consciousness of the One God that existed before creation. When God decided to experience the creation that had been created - it was just a Void, really, Melchizedek consciousness split into two, the other part being what we call Christ consciousness.
Val: So Christ consciousness is a derivative of Melchizedek consciousness?
Drunvalo: Yes.
Val: How could you characterize Melchizedek consciousness relative to Christ consciousness?
Drunvalo: The difference is that Melchizedek consciousness is formless in its original state. Christ consciousness was that aspect that began to integrate into the possibility of form and manifestation. From there, there have been many many divisions within Christ consciousness which are seldom talked about that are further levels of existence which penetrate all the way down to where we are here. At this point, at least in terms of human consciousness, there are two directions that humans are moving in. There are those that are coming “down” through this division
process to these levels, descending, and there are those that are moving back up, which is an “addition” process, connecting to higher and higher levels of consciousness which are simply interpretations of the One reality that there is. These interpretations, as you ascend, are accepted by increasingly larger groups of beings. When you ascend to higher levels of consciousness, you actually merge with many other beings who accept that same reality.
Val: A gradation of interpretation of the Is-ness.
Drunvalo: Yes. There is really just One reality. So, what happens is that there is a cycle of Life with beings “coming down” and beings “going up.” They are all from one Spirit - from God. There is only One life force moving through everything. As life energy moves up through the planes it eventually arrives at the Melchizedek level. As a being moves through the 144 levels and steps into the next octave, through the Great Void, they become the original consciousness of Melchizedek. At that point, they know without a shadow of a doubt that everything that exists is them.
Val: Where did the name Melchizedek come from?
Drunvalo: Well, this is not the first creation. There have been many many other creations. I don’t know how many
there have been that are based on other principles. This creation was based on the concept of a very simple idea -
the sphere. Everything in this existence and every law of physics is located within a sphere. It’s provable. From our
way of looking at it, there was an aspect of God that was translated into this world that actually existed in other
ways before. These are words that in no way can possibly express the truth.
Val: In one lecture conducted by Robert Morning Sky, he discussed the notion that within each Universe there is an
ultimate being who has the most experience, who is at any time replaced by another with more experience. Does
this seem accurate to you?
Drunvalo: Yes, and that being is not a being as we think of a being, but is a level of consciousness that contains
many “cells” like our body does. It could be comprised of billions of souls as we now think of them, who have
achieved a single level of thought. When Melchizedek originally divided and produced Christ consciousness, that
immediately created a third component which is the summation of both of them - of All That Is. That being is often
called, in Hindu terms, “the Supreme Personality.” That is the being that most religions pray to and see as the
“ultimate God.” They give it a name and refer to it as the “ultimate God”, although it is not. It is just the most
conscious level of life.
Val: Why would Melchizedek consciousness “budd off” to create another part of itself?
Drunvalo: That’s a good question, but I think it had to do with the original intent, which is what we are all living right
now. An aspect or a possibility of the original intent is that we would know separation and the idea of good and evil.
I believe from where I am now that’s why. When someone is in human level, trying to interpret these higher levels,
it’s really almost a “joke,” because those higher levels are an experience that cannot really be interpretable or
accurately viewed from this level - it is beyond words and beyond who and what we are at this level.
Val: Where do you yourself come into the process on the planetary level? I think you mentioned at one time that
part of your nature was as an observer linked with the Melchizedek level of consciousness.
Drunvalo: There were three very clear directives. The first one was to simply watch the changes that were
occurring. It’s hard to understand because we are in linear time and we think of “past, present and future.” There is
a place where all things are happening at once. From that place, the person to whom you are not talking directed it
into what you call “the past” to be here now. The second directive was to bring the teaching of the Merkaba back
so we could remember what that was about. The third one had to do with the study of relationships during this
extraordinary time that this planet is going through. My directive, from my Self to myself, was to become totally
grounded in the Earth experience, and to immerse myself in everything - all the problems and everything else, not
to remain “removed” and to not use higher aspects of my Self to help myself. I had to be here in all ways as a
“human” and to find my way out of the problems of life, just as anyone else would.
Val: It is certainly an extraordinary role.
Drunvalo: It is no different to that of everyone else here. Everyone is here in the same situation, and everyone is
striving to find the higher level where we can transcend. It is becoming clear to more and more people that the
Earth situation here is desperate. Even on a third dimensional level, there has to be a change or we are not going to
make it. So, it’s a situation where it’s the only way one can learn, and the only way God, or consciousness, can ever
learn, is to step into a situation and live it, become it, see what it is, and move on from there.
Val: What is the relationship between the use of belief systems and the use of experiential systems?
Drunvalo: They are linked together. Whatever you experience, whatever you are in the Is-ness, you make a
conclusion from that which becomes a belief.
Val: In the Flower of Life workshop, you mentioned the existence of several “grids” supporting both life, species
and consciousness. Would you go into some further detail about those? You mentioned once that the Christ
consciousness grid was complete in 1989.
Drunvalo: The grids are electromagnetic in nature. They are detectable. They are not something outside of third
dimensional reality, although they have aspects beyond what we know in third dimensional reality. Their third
dimensional aspect in electromagnetic in nature. Their construction is geometric in nature, and moves along a line
paralleling crystalline structure. Every single species and lifeform on this planet, in order for them to exist, there
has to be a structure. All of these grids are different, and there are millions of them. Around the turn of the century
there were 30 million of them. Now there are about 14 million of them left.
Val: These grids are what Sheldrake was speaking of - morphogenetic grids?
Drunvalo: Yes. If you looked at the whole thing, that’s how I would see the morphogenetic structure of the
biosphere. The one grid is in reality made up of millions. It comes off as a “glow” from the surface of the Earth,
extending from about 60 feet into the Earth to about 60 miles above the Earth. Whenever a species comes into
existence, a grid is formed first, before a species can manifest. Before a species leaves, the grid will dissolve or
break down as its consciousness leaves.
Val: Presumably, a grid would change to accommodate a change in evolution of a species.
Drunvalo: That’s another thing that happens. The grid will geometrically change, change in intensity, and change in
other ways. The grid will change as consciousness grows or evolves. All the grids are changing. Some of them have
very slow cycles. The highest form of evolutionary consciousness in 3-D form on the Earth we see as the whales,
including the orca, followed by various species of dolphins. Under that come ‘humans’. There are three totally
different kinds of humans on the Earth, meaning that they perceive the One reality in three different ways,
interpreted differently. The first kind of human has a chromosome composition of 42+2. They comprise a unity
consciousness that does not see anything outside themselves as being separate from themselves. To them, there is
only one energy - one life, one beingness that moves everywhere. Anything happening anywhere is within them, as
well. They are like cells in the body. They are all connected to a single consciousness that moves through all of
them. These are the aboriginals in Australia. There might be a few African tribes left like this. Then, there is our
level, comprising 44+2 chromosomes. We are a disharmonic level of consciousness that is used as a
“steppingstone” from the 42+2 level to the next level, 46+2. We are dangerous to both ourselves and nature, but we
are necessary, and this can be seen within the various geometry’s. The level above us relates to the grid you were
speaking of that was complete in 1989 - the Christ consciousness grid. It took almost 13,000 years to complete it.
Over 83,000 sites around the planet were used by higher consciousness to create the Christ grid. It was
synthetically created after the “fall” that happened 13,000 years ago. Now that it is in place, it gives us the ability
to move to the next level of consciousness, which many people call “Christ consciousness”, although it has other
names. That grid is extremely strong and is experiencing many changes in its growth pattern.
Val: You were talking about the idea of “critical mass” relative to this grid?
Drunvalo: Well, in all cases known by the Melchizedek consciousness prior to this one, Earth, there has always
been a specific pattern of growth that planets have gone through. They have entered into this level of consciousness
where they see themselves as “within a body”, and that everything “outside” is “separate.” It’s a very specific step
in evolution, and they finally come to this point of unity where they make the step forward, and a certain number of
beings will make the transition from this level to the next. It’s usually a very small number, and this is what “many
are called but few are chosen” means. Very few usually have the insight, courage and other attributes to actually
step into a higher level world.
Val: A world that reflects 46+2 chromosomes. This time, however, you mentioned that everyone would make the transition, and that was the unique nature of this situation.
Drunvalo. Yes. You’ll go through a mutation, both internally and externally, where your chromosomes change from 44+2 to 46+2. You gain two more chromosomes. The other 44 are exactly the same as humans now. These two
additional chromosomes change everything.
Val: What exactly is it with these two chromosomes?
Drunvalo: Each chromosome is really a geometrical image, and within each of these huge amounts of information are contained. The DNA uses this information to enable it to resonate with the higher-level Christ grid on the next level.
Val: There are some that maintain that humans had these extra chromosomes at one time and that they were deliberately removed.
Drunvalo: I assume you are talking about the Nephilim.
Val: No. Just the general notion.
Drunvalo: There are those that maintain this, and books that have been written that maintain this was done on purpose. I do believe that there has been a tremendous amount of experimentation on humans in the past, and a lot of it was done on DNA and the spinal column. But, I feel that the problem that developed was not deliberate in the
sense that consciousness tried to stop them, but that we did it ourselves through what happened in Atlantean times,
with the misuse of creation patterns.
Val: In books like the Keys of Enoch, for example, you can take a peek into the technology that allows photonic
manipulation of DNA and the manipulative tendencies of the Jahovah complex of beings, presumably at an earlier
stage in their evolution when they felt they had to manipulate and control.
Drunvalo: There was a lot of that.
Val: It is for this reason that the Keys of Enoch is a useful piece of work to have on hand, in order to gain insight
into what went on.
Drunvalo: The Keys of Enoch is very valuable.
Val: What do you see now relative to these higher beings who did this, and where it stands now on the apparent
edge of “critical mass”.
Drunvalo: To answer that I have to come back to the discussion of “critical massing”. Usually what is seen is a
small number of beings consciously making it through to the other side - the other level of the planet. Then, over a
long long period of time, the Christ aspect would gradually pull the rest over. As it pulls them through and the Unity
gets to a certain critical mass, suddenly it reaches a certain level and the consciousness of the whole planet,
overnight, transcends into this higher level. We have reached critical mass on the Earth, but it has been on an
unconscious level. We are talking about consciously reaching it in the model we just gave. We as a planet only have
a very few people who are actually conscious of what is going on. The number is growing by the minute. Most of the
planet was connected to the Christ-grid unconsciously. In their hearts, these people no longer want to live the way
that we are living. They don’t like the war, rape, murder and all that garbage that we have now come in to. In their
hearts, they want to live a simpler, more connected spiritual way of life, without all this fear. Because so many
people have unconsciously connected to this, we reached critical mass a long time ago, but nothing happened - it just
kept right on going. It almost happened, but that’s a long sstop their investigation into the Merkaba, but are
at the same time now aware that the Greys are helpless and had to come to us, because we still have an emotional
body, which is critical to the creation of a living Merkaba field - or a living flying saucer from a low-level way of
thinking about it.
Val: So they created the hybrid program in an attempt to integrate the human emotional body in order to save
themselves?
Drunvalo: They cannot save who they are, but they can only save the essence of who they are by combining with us.
By taking their genes and human genes and mixing them together, they created a third totally unique race. This
race is different than both species.
Val: What do you suppose the government thought about this?
Drunvalo: I don’t think they totally understood what the Greys were up to, and as the Greys began to build
underground cities around the planet, they became extremely strong. I am sure the government was even fearful at
some stage. Once they had created this race, their intention was to totally eliminate the human race and replace us
on the planet with the hybrid race.
Val: Wasn’t this the goal of the reptilian species?
Drunvalo: That is even a further removed scenario.
Val: The reptilians appear to be a matriarchal race with strong connections to government intelligence agencies.
Drunvalo: Yes, I think they do, but my inner guidance is not too concerned about that, on who they are and what
they are about.
Val: On another level, a preoccupation with kinds of aliens, per se, reflects a preoccupation with body
consciousness - body identification - when in fact it is the entities using the bodies that are the operative factor, not
the bodies or the appearance thereof. In the final analysis it make the whole alien issue a moot point.
Drunvalo: Yes, I agree with that. It is a moot point really, but we were talking about it from a third dimensional
level. If you go to a higher viewpoint, it’s all one single body, and they are all just “cells”. All life everywhere, just
like the cells in a body, has a purpose and a specialized function. It’s all integrated. Life, on a bigger scale, is
watching what is going on here. Life, on a bigger scale, could have stopped the Greys and all those who are working
with them, in a nanosecond if it wanted to. But it didn’t, because since we have components of Grey blood within us,
we are related to them. We are also part of the Lucifer Rebellion. They have a galactic legal right to do what they
are doing. They cannot be stopped from a legal point of view. I am not saying that the Greys are “bad” or “good”.
It is what the intentions were, from a human point of view. Actually, they are serving a very high purpose in what
they are doing. Coming back to the government, though, they have been through many many steps in all of this. The
government has now reached a point where they have made a really big change. I have seen that the FBI has been
connected to the work I have been doing from the very beginning, when they came in and showed their badges and
indicated that they wanted to study what I was doing. At one point, the FBI came in and said they wanted to help me
and give me money, and they wanted to see what I was doing, where it went and what the result would be. Of course,
since I was talking about Merkaba energy fields, it was a big subject to them because technologically equivalent
fields are what power the UFOs. They wanted to know what it was all about. They didn’t try to stop me. Recently,
the FBI was at my last workshop in November. Again, they came in an identified themselves. It is pretty clear that
they are extremely concerned, not just for the United States. The FBI has gone beyond that. They are concerned
about the whole world, and keeping “peace” as much as possible during this transition. They know we are going
through a consciousness transition. They know what is happening on a lot of levels.
Val: It seems admirable on their part, but it is irreconcilable with what is happening externally - the nature of the
presidential administrations, the drug dealing, etc. How do you reconcile this whole thing?
Drunvalo: You have to look at how it grew. What the structure was that grew into it. It grew into a place where it
was looking only at the United States and the fearful nature of all of that. You have to look at how economic factors
have collapsed all over the world, and yet we are still “supposed to be the big guys” that support the structure of
everything. So, they have resorted to the same means that people in New York City have resorted to. The city is
economically collapsed. If you took drug money out of New York City, the city would be destroyed over night.
Val: Do you feel that the proportion of the faction within the so-called “elite” that understands this will ever grow to
the point where you will have a perceptible sociological positive “we might as well do it the right way” type of
change?
Drunvalo: I don’t see that right away.
Val: So, we’ll go through the transition before that would ever happen?
Drunvalo: It’s going to be close. I don’t know. After the FBI attended my last workshop, they sent me a “thank
you” letter on White House stationary, so what we are seeing here is that there is a change. They know. I am not
really concerned about them at this point. I think that they might end up being more of an asset then anyone might
ever guess they’d be, in the future. I do feel that they have come along to a place where they understand the
Oneness.
Val: “They”, specifically being who?
Drunvalo: Whoever it is more or less in control. At the same time, I know that they are going to continue to do what
they are doing - everything they are doing to try to control the entire planet is not going to stop. Also at the same
time, they know that many factors are completely out of their control. There is nothing they can do about it. They
are preparing us for it. They would not do that for a long time. When the Roswell crash happened in 1947, they
would not allow us to know what took place there, probably because of what happened ten years earlier with the
“war of the worlds” broadcast, where people were killing themselves. They decided not to say anything. They are
now coming to the place where they have made the decision to let us know, and they are using the media to do that.
Val: Things could well be done in such a way as to manipulate the population. In other words, present an “external
threat” to the population in order to control it....
Drunvalo: They could do that, but I don’t think they will do that.
Val: Why not?
Drunvalo: Because I think that the primary people in control there realize the nature of the change. It has
penetrated into them. They know they are not going to have a third dimensional base here much longer, anyway.
They know that we are going to move as an Earth-Soul into another level. It’s not going to be something where a
certain person can move ahead of the rest of the planet. The planet has to move as an individual, in terms of what is
about to happen. The planet may make some changes in the inhabitants that are here now and rearrange the
structures through space and time, so that everybody is in the place that is most appropriate for them. I am not
saying there will not be huge changes in the near future that might involve many souls leaving this place, but all of it
is for the purpose that Mother Earth comes into a place where the “cells” that are left - the people that are left -
are in absolute unity. Many of these will include people in the government. I think there is going to be a big change.
They know it, and they know that the kind of things they are headed toward - controlling with a big stick - forcing us
to stay in peace ....if we did go into chaos, say if the stock market crashed, and we are still here in the third
dimension, they would probably use that stuff, because they know that the only way we’re going to get out of here in
one piece is if we stay intact.
Val: Some might ask, why would these self-declared elite care?
Drunvalo: Because they now know that “you” and “I” and “them” is really One. They do know that.
Val: It’s almost too good to be true that they would get out of the Darwinian- Malthusian control paradigms.
Drunvalo: Well, the origins and where I got my last name are kind of inter- related. First of all, the whole Universe is conscious and alive - completely alive, and has been forever. Everything is not inanimate as it seems - it is just made up of different levels of awareness of consciousness, one way or another. Melchizedek consciousness is just
another aspect of the One consciousness. It was that aspect that stepped into this creation first. It was the first part
of the consciousness of the One God that existed before creation. When God decided to experience the creation that had been created - it was just a Void, really, Melchizedek consciousness split into two, the other part being what we call Christ consciousness.
Val: So Christ consciousness is a derivative of Melchizedek consciousness?
Drunvalo: Yes.
Val: How could you characterize Melchizedek consciousness relative to Christ consciousness?
Drunvalo: The difference is that Melchizedek consciousness is formless in its original state. Christ consciousness was that aspect that began to integrate into the possibility of form and manifestation. From there, there have been many many divisions within Christ consciousness which are seldom talked about that are further levels of existence which penetrate all the way down to where we are here. At this point, at least in terms of human consciousness, there are two directions that humans are moving in. There are those that are coming “down” through this division
process to these levels, descending, and there are those that are moving back up, which is an “addition” process, connecting to higher and higher levels of consciousness which are simply interpretations of the One reality that there is. These interpretations, as you ascend, are accepted by increasingly larger groups of beings. When you ascend to higher levels of consciousness, you actually merge with many other beings who accept that same reality.
Val: A gradation of interpretation of the Is-ness.
Drunvalo: Yes. There is really just One reality. So, what happens is that there is a cycle of Life with beings “coming down” and beings “going up.” They are all from one Spirit - from God. There is only One life force moving through everything. As life energy moves up through the planes it eventually arrives at the Melchizedek level. As a being moves through the 144 levels and steps into the next octave, through the Great Void, they become the original consciousness of Melchizedek. At that point, they know without a shadow of a doubt that everything that exists is them.
Val: Where did the name Melchizedek come from?
Drunvalo: Well, this is not the first creation. There have been many many other creations. I don’t know how many
there have been that are based on other principles. This creation was based on the concept of a very simple idea -
the sphere. Everything in this existence and every law of physics is located within a sphere. It’s provable. From our
way of looking at it, there was an aspect of God that was translated into this world that actually existed in other
ways before. These are words that in no way can possibly express the truth.
Val: In one lecture conducted by Robert Morning Sky, he discussed the notion that within each Universe there is an
ultimate being who has the most experience, who is at any time replaced by another with more experience. Does
this seem accurate to you?
Drunvalo: Yes, and that being is not a being as we think of a being, but is a level of consciousness that contains
many “cells” like our body does. It could be comprised of billions of souls as we now think of them, who have
achieved a single level of thought. When Melchizedek originally divided and produced Christ consciousness, that
immediately created a third component which is the summation of both of them - of All That Is. That being is often
called, in Hindu terms, “the Supreme Personality.” That is the being that most religions pray to and see as the
“ultimate God.” They give it a name and refer to it as the “ultimate God”, although it is not. It is just the most
conscious level of life.
Val: Why would Melchizedek consciousness “budd off” to create another part of itself?
Drunvalo: That’s a good question, but I think it had to do with the original intent, which is what we are all living right
now. An aspect or a possibility of the original intent is that we would know separation and the idea of good and evil.
I believe from where I am now that’s why. When someone is in human level, trying to interpret these higher levels,
it’s really almost a “joke,” because those higher levels are an experience that cannot really be interpretable or
accurately viewed from this level - it is beyond words and beyond who and what we are at this level.
Val: Where do you yourself come into the process on the planetary level? I think you mentioned at one time that
part of your nature was as an observer linked with the Melchizedek level of consciousness.
Drunvalo: There were three very clear directives. The first one was to simply watch the changes that were
occurring. It’s hard to understand because we are in linear time and we think of “past, present and future.” There is
a place where all things are happening at once. From that place, the person to whom you are not talking directed it
into what you call “the past” to be here now. The second directive was to bring the teaching of the Merkaba back
so we could remember what that was about. The third one had to do with the study of relationships during this
extraordinary time that this planet is going through. My directive, from my Self to myself, was to become totally
grounded in the Earth experience, and to immerse myself in everything - all the problems and everything else, not
to remain “removed” and to not use higher aspects of my Self to help myself. I had to be here in all ways as a
“human” and to find my way out of the problems of life, just as anyone else would.
Val: It is certainly an extraordinary role.
Drunvalo: It is no different to that of everyone else here. Everyone is here in the same situation, and everyone is
striving to find the higher level where we can transcend. It is becoming clear to more and more people that the
Earth situation here is desperate. Even on a third dimensional level, there has to be a change or we are not going to
make it. So, it’s a situation where it’s the only way one can learn, and the only way God, or consciousness, can ever
learn, is to step into a situation and live it, become it, see what it is, and move on from there.
Val: What is the relationship between the use of belief systems and the use of experiential systems?
Drunvalo: They are linked together. Whatever you experience, whatever you are in the Is-ness, you make a
conclusion from that which becomes a belief.
Val: In the Flower of Life workshop, you mentioned the existence of several “grids” supporting both life, species
and consciousness. Would you go into some further detail about those? You mentioned once that the Christ
consciousness grid was complete in 1989.
Drunvalo: The grids are electromagnetic in nature. They are detectable. They are not something outside of third
dimensional reality, although they have aspects beyond what we know in third dimensional reality. Their third
dimensional aspect in electromagnetic in nature. Their construction is geometric in nature, and moves along a line
paralleling crystalline structure. Every single species and lifeform on this planet, in order for them to exist, there
has to be a structure. All of these grids are different, and there are millions of them. Around the turn of the century
there were 30 million of them. Now there are about 14 million of them left.
Val: These grids are what Sheldrake was speaking of - morphogenetic grids?
Drunvalo: Yes. If you looked at the whole thing, that’s how I would see the morphogenetic structure of the
biosphere. The one grid is in reality made up of millions. It comes off as a “glow” from the surface of the Earth,
extending from about 60 feet into the Earth to about 60 miles above the Earth. Whenever a species comes into
existence, a grid is formed first, before a species can manifest. Before a species leaves, the grid will dissolve or
break down as its consciousness leaves.
Val: Presumably, a grid would change to accommodate a change in evolution of a species.
Drunvalo: That’s another thing that happens. The grid will geometrically change, change in intensity, and change in
other ways. The grid will change as consciousness grows or evolves. All the grids are changing. Some of them have
very slow cycles. The highest form of evolutionary consciousness in 3-D form on the Earth we see as the whales,
including the orca, followed by various species of dolphins. Under that come ‘humans’. There are three totally
different kinds of humans on the Earth, meaning that they perceive the One reality in three different ways,
interpreted differently. The first kind of human has a chromosome composition of 42+2. They comprise a unity
consciousness that does not see anything outside themselves as being separate from themselves. To them, there is
only one energy - one life, one beingness that moves everywhere. Anything happening anywhere is within them, as
well. They are like cells in the body. They are all connected to a single consciousness that moves through all of
them. These are the aboriginals in Australia. There might be a few African tribes left like this. Then, there is our
level, comprising 44+2 chromosomes. We are a disharmonic level of consciousness that is used as a
“steppingstone” from the 42+2 level to the next level, 46+2. We are dangerous to both ourselves and nature, but we
are necessary, and this can be seen within the various geometry’s. The level above us relates to the grid you were
speaking of that was complete in 1989 - the Christ consciousness grid. It took almost 13,000 years to complete it.
Over 83,000 sites around the planet were used by higher consciousness to create the Christ grid. It was
synthetically created after the “fall” that happened 13,000 years ago. Now that it is in place, it gives us the ability
to move to the next level of consciousness, which many people call “Christ consciousness”, although it has other
names. That grid is extremely strong and is experiencing many changes in its growth pattern.
Val: You were talking about the idea of “critical mass” relative to this grid?
Drunvalo: Well, in all cases known by the Melchizedek consciousness prior to this one, Earth, there has always
been a specific pattern of growth that planets have gone through. They have entered into this level of consciousness
where they see themselves as “within a body”, and that everything “outside” is “separate.” It’s a very specific step
in evolution, and they finally come to this point of unity where they make the step forward, and a certain number of
beings will make the transition from this level to the next. It’s usually a very small number, and this is what “many
are called but few are chosen” means. Very few usually have the insight, courage and other attributes to actually
step into a higher level world.
Val: A world that reflects 46+2 chromosomes. This time, however, you mentioned that everyone would make the transition, and that was the unique nature of this situation.
Drunvalo. Yes. You’ll go through a mutation, both internally and externally, where your chromosomes change from 44+2 to 46+2. You gain two more chromosomes. The other 44 are exactly the same as humans now. These two
additional chromosomes change everything.
Val: What exactly is it with these two chromosomes?
Drunvalo: Each chromosome is really a geometrical image, and within each of these huge amounts of information are contained. The DNA uses this information to enable it to resonate with the higher-level Christ grid on the next level.
Val: There are some that maintain that humans had these extra chromosomes at one time and that they were deliberately removed.
Drunvalo: I assume you are talking about the Nephilim.
Val: No. Just the general notion.
Drunvalo: There are those that maintain this, and books that have been written that maintain this was done on purpose. I do believe that there has been a tremendous amount of experimentation on humans in the past, and a lot of it was done on DNA and the spinal column. But, I feel that the problem that developed was not deliberate in the
sense that consciousness tried to stop them, but that we did it ourselves through what happened in Atlantean times,
with the misuse of creation patterns.
Val: In books like the Keys of Enoch, for example, you can take a peek into the technology that allows photonic
manipulation of DNA and the manipulative tendencies of the Jahovah complex of beings, presumably at an earlier
stage in their evolution when they felt they had to manipulate and control.
Drunvalo: There was a lot of that.
Val: It is for this reason that the Keys of Enoch is a useful piece of work to have on hand, in order to gain insight
into what went on.
Drunvalo: The Keys of Enoch is very valuable.
Val: What do you see now relative to these higher beings who did this, and where it stands now on the apparent
edge of “critical mass”.
Drunvalo: To answer that I have to come back to the discussion of “critical massing”. Usually what is seen is a
small number of beings consciously making it through to the other side - the other level of the planet. Then, over a
long long period of time, the Christ aspect would gradually pull the rest over. As it pulls them through and the Unity
gets to a certain critical mass, suddenly it reaches a certain level and the consciousness of the whole planet,
overnight, transcends into this higher level. We have reached critical mass on the Earth, but it has been on an
unconscious level. We are talking about consciously reaching it in the model we just gave. We as a planet only have
a very few people who are actually conscious of what is going on. The number is growing by the minute. Most of the
planet was connected to the Christ-grid unconsciously. In their hearts, these people no longer want to live the way
that we are living. They don’t like the war, rape, murder and all that garbage that we have now come in to. In their
hearts, they want to live a simpler, more connected spiritual way of life, without all this fear. Because so many
people have unconsciously connected to this, we reached critical mass a long time ago, but nothing happened - it just
kept right on going. It almost happened, but that’s a long sstop their investigation into the Merkaba, but are
at the same time now aware that the Greys are helpless and had to come to us, because we still have an emotional
body, which is critical to the creation of a living Merkaba field - or a living flying saucer from a low-level way of
thinking about it.
Val: So they created the hybrid program in an attempt to integrate the human emotional body in order to save
themselves?
Drunvalo: They cannot save who they are, but they can only save the essence of who they are by combining with us.
By taking their genes and human genes and mixing them together, they created a third totally unique race. This
race is different than both species.
Val: What do you suppose the government thought about this?
Drunvalo: I don’t think they totally understood what the Greys were up to, and as the Greys began to build
underground cities around the planet, they became extremely strong. I am sure the government was even fearful at
some stage. Once they had created this race, their intention was to totally eliminate the human race and replace us
on the planet with the hybrid race.
Val: Wasn’t this the goal of the reptilian species?
Drunvalo: That is even a further removed scenario.
Val: The reptilians appear to be a matriarchal race with strong connections to government intelligence agencies.
Drunvalo: Yes, I think they do, but my inner guidance is not too concerned about that, on who they are and what
they are about.
Val: On another level, a preoccupation with kinds of aliens, per se, reflects a preoccupation with body
consciousness - body identification - when in fact it is the entities using the bodies that are the operative factor, not
the bodies or the appearance thereof. In the final analysis it make the whole alien issue a moot point.
Drunvalo: Yes, I agree with that. It is a moot point really, but we were talking about it from a third dimensional
level. If you go to a higher viewpoint, it’s all one single body, and they are all just “cells”. All life everywhere, just
like the cells in a body, has a purpose and a specialized function. It’s all integrated. Life, on a bigger scale, is
watching what is going on here. Life, on a bigger scale, could have stopped the Greys and all those who are working
with them, in a nanosecond if it wanted to. But it didn’t, because since we have components of Grey blood within us,
we are related to them. We are also part of the Lucifer Rebellion. They have a galactic legal right to do what they
are doing. They cannot be stopped from a legal point of view. I am not saying that the Greys are “bad” or “good”.
It is what the intentions were, from a human point of view. Actually, they are serving a very high purpose in what
they are doing. Coming back to the government, though, they have been through many many steps in all of this. The
government has now reached a point where they have made a really big change. I have seen that the FBI has been
connected to the work I have been doing from the very beginning, when they came in and showed their badges and
indicated that they wanted to study what I was doing. At one point, the FBI came in and said they wanted to help me
and give me money, and they wanted to see what I was doing, where it went and what the result would be. Of course,
since I was talking about Merkaba energy fields, it was a big subject to them because technologically equivalent
fields are what power the UFOs. They wanted to know what it was all about. They didn’t try to stop me. Recently,
the FBI was at my last workshop in November. Again, they came in an identified themselves. It is pretty clear that
they are extremely concerned, not just for the United States. The FBI has gone beyond that. They are concerned
about the whole world, and keeping “peace” as much as possible during this transition. They know we are going
through a consciousness transition. They know what is happening on a lot of levels.
Val: It seems admirable on their part, but it is irreconcilable with what is happening externally - the nature of the
presidential administrations, the drug dealing, etc. How do you reconcile this whole thing?
Drunvalo: You have to look at how it grew. What the structure was that grew into it. It grew into a place where it
was looking only at the United States and the fearful nature of all of that. You have to look at how economic factors
have collapsed all over the world, and yet we are still “supposed to be the big guys” that support the structure of
everything. So, they have resorted to the same means that people in New York City have resorted to. The city is
economically collapsed. If you took drug money out of New York City, the city would be destroyed over night.
Val: Do you feel that the proportion of the faction within the so-called “elite” that understands this will ever grow to
the point where you will have a perceptible sociological positive “we might as well do it the right way” type of
change?
Drunvalo: I don’t see that right away.
Val: So, we’ll go through the transition before that would ever happen?
Drunvalo: It’s going to be close. I don’t know. After the FBI attended my last workshop, they sent me a “thank
you” letter on White House stationary, so what we are seeing here is that there is a change. They know. I am not
really concerned about them at this point. I think that they might end up being more of an asset then anyone might
ever guess they’d be, in the future. I do feel that they have come along to a place where they understand the
Oneness.
Val: “They”, specifically being who?
Drunvalo: Whoever it is more or less in control. At the same time, I know that they are going to continue to do what
they are doing - everything they are doing to try to control the entire planet is not going to stop. Also at the same
time, they know that many factors are completely out of their control. There is nothing they can do about it. They
are preparing us for it. They would not do that for a long time. When the Roswell crash happened in 1947, they
would not allow us to know what took place there, probably because of what happened ten years earlier with the
“war of the worlds” broadcast, where people were killing themselves. They decided not to say anything. They are
now coming to the place where they have made the decision to let us know, and they are using the media to do that.
Val: Things could well be done in such a way as to manipulate the population. In other words, present an “external
threat” to the population in order to control it....
Drunvalo: They could do that, but I don’t think they will do that.
Val: Why not?
Drunvalo: Because I think that the primary people in control there realize the nature of the change. It has
penetrated into them. They know they are not going to have a third dimensional base here much longer, anyway.
They know that we are going to move as an Earth-Soul into another level. It’s not going to be something where a
certain person can move ahead of the rest of the planet. The planet has to move as an individual, in terms of what is
about to happen. The planet may make some changes in the inhabitants that are here now and rearrange the
structures through space and time, so that everybody is in the place that is most appropriate for them. I am not
saying there will not be huge changes in the near future that might involve many souls leaving this place, but all of it
is for the purpose that Mother Earth comes into a place where the “cells” that are left - the people that are left -
are in absolute unity. Many of these will include people in the government. I think there is going to be a big change.
They know it, and they know that the kind of things they are headed toward - controlling with a big stick - forcing us
to stay in peace ....if we did go into chaos, say if the stock market crashed, and we are still here in the third
dimension, they would probably use that stuff, because they know that the only way we’re going to get out of here in
one piece is if we stay intact.
Val: Some might ask, why would these self-declared elite care?
Drunvalo: Because they now know that “you” and “I” and “them” is really One. They do know that.
Val: It’s almost too good to be true that they would get out of the Darwinian- Malthusian control paradigms.