Does time exist?

[paddoboy]

Well so lets say time is real , it isn't, but lets say it is .

How does time have a force ? how does time force anything to do anything ?

Well I believe I have shown you it is real....just as real as space, spacetime etc.
Time is what stops everything from happening together.
Space is what separates everything.
Space time can be bent, warped, twisted, and waved.
It also gives us the impression of gravity.
Just because it is not physical like the Moon for example, does not mean it is not real.
But there is some debate on "time' within scientific circles.

 

[ForrestDean]

Saying that "there's more to it that we don't know" is not the same as saying "it's an illusion".

Nope, it's not the same. And?

 

[river]

Well I believe I have shown you it is real....just as real as space, spacetime etc.
Time is what stops everything from happening together.
Space is what separates everything.
Space time can be bent, warped, twisted, and waved.
It also gives us the impression of gravity.
Just because it is not physical like the Moon for example, does not mean it is not real.
But there is some debate on "time' within scientific circles.

You Believe pad but you haven't shown that time is real at all .

You say that time stops everything from happening together ; how ? what is the material substance of time ?

 

[paddoboy]

You Believe pad but you haven't shown that time is real at all .

You say that time stops everything from happening together ; how ? what is the material substance of time ?

Do you believe magnetic fields are real?
I've already mentioned that something need not be physical to be real.
I posted this post 3 minutes after you....that 3 minutes stopped us posting at the same instant.
If time did not exist, everything would happen together: In fact if time did not exist, we would not be here, and the BB would not have happened.

 

[paddoboy]

And of course as we all know time proceeds at different rates for different individuals, as space varies for different individuals. We call that relativity.

 

[river]

And of course as we all know time proceeds at different rates for different individuals, as space varies for different individuals. We call that relativity.

You didn't answer my question pad .

What material substance does time have ? from my post # 303 .

Since time stops everything happening together .

 

[paddoboy]

You didn't answer my question pad .

What material substance does time have ? from my post # 303 .

Since time stops everything happening together .

I did answer your question.
Time is not a physical thing, so obviously does not have substance.
But something need not be physical or have substance to be to be real.
That's where you are confused.
The fact that we could all measure time differently depending on where we are and how fast we are going, shows that.

 

[paddoboy]

https://www.quora.com/Is-time-and-space-an-illusion

Anything that can consistently be measured with high precision has objective reality and is not an illusion. Unless of course everything is an illusion, and I see no point in going in that direction.

With atomic clocks, which go through significant improvements every few years, time is the one fundamental variable that can be measured with the highest precision and accuracy.

Space and time are intimately related through the special theory of relativity in the space-time interval: The Interval

The space-time interval for any event is exactly the same for all observers. You can't get more objectively real than that.

Our perceptions of space and time, as with all perceptions, are not objective. That's a very different thing from saying that the underlying variables of space and time are illusions.

 

[river]

I did answer your question.
Time is not a physical thing, so obviously does not have substance.
But something need not be physical or have substance to be to be real.
That's where you are confused.
The fact that we could all measure time differently depending on where we are and how fast we are going, shows that.

So time then is a metaphysical concept .

 

[ForrestDean]

If time did not exist, everything would happen together:

and the BB would not have happened.

The "Big Bang" is still just a theory.

The fact that we could all measure time differently depending on where we are and how fast we are going, shows that.

What you have just stated here is that time is subjective.

 

[paddoboy]

So time then is a metaphysical concept .

Time is real river. Read the explanations and last link I gave.

 

[river]

https://www.quora.com/Is-time-and-space-an-illusion

Anything that can consistently be measured with high precision has objective reality and is not an illusion. Unless of course everything is an illusion, and I see no point in going in that direction.

With atomic clocks, which go through significant improvements every few years, time is the one fundamental variable that can be measured with the highest precision and accuracy.

Space and time are intimately related through the special theory of relativity in the space-time interval: The Interval

The space-time interval for any event is exactly the same for all observers. You can't get more objectively real than that.

Our perceptions of space and time, as with all perceptions, are not objective. That's a very different thing from saying that the underlying variables of space and time are illusions.

How does the atomic clock measure time ? pad.

 

[paddoboy]

The "Big Bang" is still just a theory.

Perhaps you need to educate yourself as to what constitutes a scientific theory.
Gravity is also a scientific theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed, preferably using a written, pre-defined, protocol of observationsand experiments.[1][2]Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.[3]

It is important to note that the definition of a "scientific theory" (often ambiguously contracted to "theory" for the sake of brevity, including in this page) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from, and in contrast to, the common vernacular usage of the word "theory". As used in everyday non-scientific speech, "theory" implies that something is an unsubstantiated and speculative guess, conjecture, idea, or, hypothesis;[4] such a usage is the opposite of the word 'theory' in science. These different usages are comparable to the differing, and often opposing, usages of the term "prediction" in science (less ambiguously called a "scientific prediction") versus "prediction" in vernacular speech, denoting a mere hope.

 

[paddoboy]

How does the atomic clock measure time ? pad.

river time is real.......
Your time on Jupiter would be different to my time on earth, even if we used atomic clocks.
Time like space is not constant but variable: That's Einstein's relativity.
If you want to argue aganist that then go to the alternative section.

 

[river]

river time is real.......
Your time on Jupiter would be different to my time on earth, even if we used atomic clocks.
Time like space is not constant but variable: That's Einstein's relativity.
If you want to argue aganist that then go to the alternative section.

How does the atomic clock measure time pad ?

 

[paddoboy]

How does the atomic clock measure time pad ?

river time is real.......
Your time on Jupiter would be different to my time on earth, even if we used atomic clocks.
Time like space is not constant but variable: That's Einstein's relativity.
If you want to argue aganst that then go to the alternative section.

You have been going OK river, don't start your trolling now, please.

 

[paddoboy]

What you have just stated here is that time is subjective.

We will all measure the passage of time if in the same frame of reference. You don't see things moving faster than I do; our subjectivity is the same.

Einsteins SR though tells us that time is related to space and what we view as spacetime, is affected observationally if we are in different frames...if you are moving relative to me...your time is different as is distances involved.
Time and space are interlinked again in what we call spacetime.

 

[paddoboy]

 

[ForrestDean]

Hehe I don't see any difference in the scientists trying to prove the Big Bang happened or that time exists for that matter and the Christians trying to prove that God exists.

The individual rational, conscious Ego Mind of each individual is bound by the current temporal experience as it relates to the human concept and perception of "time" and "space", or "space-time", which it chooses to subscribe to by believing it to be "real".

The "big bang theory" is based on the assumption that the entire "Universe" is, and always has existed exclusively in three physical dimensions plus time, and accordingly all "matter" constituting the Universe originated within the context of this 3D environment as a direct result of this mysterious but highly energetic and explosive primordial event.
This model of the Universe would therefore seem to imply that "in the beginning" - before the "big bang" - the Universe was characterized by what amounts to a pre-existent "void" of three dimensional "nothingness", or potentiality, which subsequent to the "big bang" event became populated with "matter", with later its galaxies stars, planets, moons, comets, and other myriad residual cosmic material to the extent it has been identified, named and documented.

Scientists still cannot understand why, if there was actually a so called "big bang" explosion originating from "somewhere" within what is now considered to be the three dimensional "material Universe", that the entire observable and measurable Universe exhibits a very similar ambient temperature throughout. Surely if the "big bang" had originated "at some "point within the concept of the known "physical Universe", considerable, or at least measurable temperature fluctuations might be observed relative to the distance of the point of measurement from this original primordial, explosive, extremely energetic, massively heat generating "event".

 

[river]

Hehe I don't see any difference in the scientists trying to prove the Big Bang happened or that time exists for that matter and the Christians trying to prove that God exists.

The individual rational, conscious Ego Mind of each individual is bound by the current temporal experience as it relates to the human concept and perception of "time" and "space", or "space-time", which it chooses to subscribe to by believing it to be "real".

The "big bang theory" is based on the assumption that the entire "Universe" is, and always has existed exclusively in three physical dimensions plus time, and accordingly all "matter" constituting the Universe originated within the context of this 3D environment as a direct result of this mysterious but highly energetic and explosive primordial event.
This model of the Universe would therefore seem to imply that "in the beginning" - before the "big bang" - the Universe was characterized by what amounts to a pre-existent "void" of three dimensional "nothingness", or potentiality, which subsequent to the "big bang" event became populated with "matter", with later its galaxies stars, planets, moons, comets, and other myriad residual cosmic material to the extent it has been identified, named and documented.

Scientists still cannot understand why, if there was actually a so called "big bang" explosion originating from "somewhere" within what is now considered to be the three dimensional "material Universe", that the entire observable and measurable Universe exhibits a very similar ambient temperature throughout. Surely if the "big bang" had originated "at some "point within the concept of the known "physical Universe", considerable, or at least measurable temperature fluctuations might be observed relative to the distance of the point of measurement from this original primordial, explosive, extremely energetic, massively heat generating "event".

Agreed