Does motion really exist?

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infinitethoughts

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There was a website a while back that suggested that motion actually does not exist. All motion in this universe. Its an "optical illusion" so to speak.

The author devised "peceptual" exercises that kinda shows this.

As far as I can remember one of them consisted of when riding a bike to look around at the passing scenery and then down at your legs spinning, and if done right it would trigger the percept that in actually the *you* that is 'inside' or behind your eyes is just observing and never moves.

Sort of like the world is moving in front of you, or the world is brought in front of you, but you the operator never moves.

Website further said with the advent of computers and video games this idea is shown in practical form.

When playing a video game all motion is 'brought' to you, but 'you' actually never go anywhere.

There's much more to this but right now can't remember it all.
 
Everything is relative to you. The observer is allways the fixed point (cause if you move forward then it's the same as the whole universe moves backwards, so they cancel eachother and in the middle are you).
 
So are you blasphemely saying :cool: that each person is the center of the universe?

(I tried saying this years ago on some newsgroups and barely escaped with my life.)
 
the problem is if you think everyone is this center of the universe, u can only have one center,
an interesting concept... like if this entire life is actually formed around yourself? everybody else is just stimulus not real people, hard to explain but to saythat everything is a screen that moves around u , apart from that still being motion that exists...its impossible to give every other human being the respect of existance. movement is relative and we say we r moving not the earth because the mass of our environment takes priority as the rest frame everything is compared to, just how our notions of motion evolved....
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Exactly.

So then that's the next step of the 'puzzle' to figure out.

From personal experience, this center thing I feel is true, but of course can't explain.

Here's something I came up concerning being the center of.

We experience life as 'the center of'. We experience everything and all events as moving away from us and we are the center.

But socially we all agree on the exact opposite. That our personal experiencing of what is, is 'on the periphery' so to speak.

And it is a social faux pax to admit being the center of. Then you are labeled as egotistical.

So.......bottom line is we live in a very strange universe, but the answers are out there.
 
Movement(time) doesn't exist. Movement is an abstraction of perception, (a colorful interpretation of an empty reality) which exists only in our minds- like color and sound. Time is merely another ambiguous dimension like our static space dimension. When you move down a road, the road doesn't actually move, but it looks like it does- as does time. You see movement because you are programmed to believe that you are in the process of experiencing movement, when in fact you are one of an infinite number of other "moments" of yourself in your entire lifetime, all believing the same thing- that you are the one and only true self, moving through time, experiencing the present and remembering the past.

The universe exists as a static whole.
 
I tried saying this years ago on some newsgroups and barely escaped with my life.
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As far as I know, I am the universe.
I cannot possibly assert that anything exists which is not a part of me, a part of my emotions, my sentiments, my thoughts, my perceptions, my environment.
There is no reason to believe in a universe outside of me . . . although I do . . . in a way . . .

Originally posted by matnay
The universe exists as a static whole.
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The universe is a probability wave in the void.
My mind, for some reason, interprets it in a certain way, causing this whole, wonderful, titanic, byzantine arrangement of particles and waves, light and color, time and motion, matter and energy.
As for everybody else's minds, I cannot say whether they actaully exist or operate as mine does.
 
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Your mind is only a reflection of the state of your body. That's it.
 
Or maybe it's the other way around?

Or maybe the entire universe is a reflection of my mind?
Or the collective human mind? Or God's mind?

Or maybe the Universe is the mental reflection of God's body? Naww . . . that one makes no sense . . .
 
Relativity theory shows us that, from a physics standpoint, when you run into a wall it's just as valid to model it as if you were stationary and the wall was running into you.
 
Whether you move towards the wall, or the wall moves towards you, at least one of you is moving.
Whichever situation you believe to be true, movement still exists, No?
 
So are you blasphemely saying that each person is the center of the universe?

(I tried saying this years ago on some newsgroups and barely escaped with my life.)
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Yep, that's what I was saying :)

the problem is if you think everyone is this center of the universe, u can only have one center,
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Yes, but that center is possibly in another dimension....big bang happened in every point, so every point is the center of the universe. But we can only experiance one of them and that center is allways at the observer.

an interesting concept... like if this entire life is actually formed around yourself? everybody else is just stimulus not real people,
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That, however, is another concept :), I believe that everyone in their frame is the center of the universe...I wonder though what the center is in the universe frame...

hard to explain but to saythat everything is a screen that moves around u , apart from that still being motion that exists...its impossible to give every other human being the respect of existance. movement is relative and we say we r moving not the earth because the mass of our environment takes priority as the rest frame everything is compared to, just how our notions of motion evolved....
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You lost me there....somewhere...
 
Originally posted by one_raven
Whether you move towards the wall, or the wall moves towards you, at least one of you is moving.
Whichever situation you believe to be true, movement still exists, No?
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Well actually thats right. I guess my point is if it is true that the wall is moving towards us, then that changes our knowledge of the universe dramatically.

Again I was suggesting the fact that the wall moves towards us, I don't know if this is true or not.
 
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Yes, but that center is possibly in another dimension....big bang happened in every point, so every point is the center of the universe. But we can only experiance one of them and that center is allways at the observer.

That, however, is another concept :), I believe that everyone in their frame is the center of the universe...I wonder though what the center is in the universe frame...
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This center being in another 'dimension', makes me think of the internet.......everyone's on their own computer, so they have their own center, then we meet up in cyberland.

We all meet in a 'reality', but still are the centers' of our universe.

Really there's actually no argument against us all being inside VR.
The academics are hard at work working on this one idea, do a search on -Digital Physics-

Obviously this VR would have to be 100 to 200 years more advanced then 'now'. But of course...... is our 'now' really the right 'now', :p if we are in VR, then of course 'time' is not "correct".

Which could explain the reason for having different calenders, like the Mayan calender ??
 
Cyperium is right about one thing.

Each person is the center of the universe, as he or she knows it.

I mean, I have no knowledge of any universe outside of my own experience. Therefore, I am the center of the universe, as I know it.

Of course, there's no way for me to determine if you guys can perceive reality as I can. So I must simply satisfy myself with my own universe, the only one I know exists.
There is nothing beyond me, summarily put, that is.
 
Or maybe the Universe is the mental reflection of God's body? Naww . . . that one makes no sense . . .
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Actually, in the bible, it's says that each person is a part of Jesus body. It also gives a great analogy about being a part of a body, something like if one part is glad then the other parts should be glad for him (as with the body, if one part of the body is "happy" then the other parts are happy for it) and if one part of the body is feeling bad, then the other parts should help him (also like a body would function, if the finger burns, then the whole arm helps it away from the heat).

First letter from Corinth, 14:12.
 
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