Does Jesus have a soul?

[Greatest I am]

Does Jesus have a soul?

The hierarchy in heaven is God above and all souls below his position followed by angels if you happen to believe in those. That being the case, the human part of Jesus would also be below God and not at the right hand of God. No human soul can sit beside or be equal to God.

The God part of Jesus would be equal to the Father and Holy Spirit thus indistinguishable from either if he manifested himself. He could then sit at God’s right hand but his soul, being less than God-like could not.

If Jesus is at the highest level with God and it is impossible for a soul to be at that level, this indicates that Jesus somehow had two consciousnesses, one divine and one human in the same body on earth and that they would separate upon reaching heaven. That or Jesus had no soul.

If Jesus was not divine and a part of that strange Trinity concept, then he could not sit at the right hand of God as only God can sit at the highest level.

I see an impossible catch 22 here and wondered if any Christian could shed some light to get out of this catch 22.

Regards
DL

 

[arauca]

Does Jesus have a soul?

The hierarchy in heaven is God above and all souls below his position followed by angels if you happen to believe in those. That being the case, the human part of Jesus would also be below God and not at the right hand of God. No human soul can sit beside or be equal to God.

The God part of Jesus would be equal to the Father and Holy Spirit thus indistinguishable from either if he manifested himself. He could then sit at God’s right hand but his soul, being less than God-like could not.

If Jesus is at the highest level with God and it is impossible for a soul to be at that level, this indicates that Jesus somehow had two consciousnesses, one divine and one human in the same body on earth and that they would separate upon reaching heaven. That or Jesus had no soul.

If Jesus was not divine and a part of that strange Trinity concept, then he could not sit at the right hand of God as only God can sit at the highest level.

I see an impossible catch 22 here and wondered if any Christian could shed some light to get out of this catch 22.

Regards
DL

As for me it is not important who sits were, He ( God ) can do whatever He wants, God is life and He can shear Himself any way he wants and with ever He wants

 

[Rav]

Come on GIA, this is Christian mythology 101. The father, the son and the holy spirit are the same entity, manifesting in different ways. Even though I think it has no basis in reality, I've never understood why people can't get their head around what seems to me to be a pretty basic metaphysical concept.

 

[Greatest I am]

Come on GIA, this is Christian mythology 101. The father, the son and the holy spirit are the same entity, manifesting in different ways. Even though I think it has no basis in reality, I've never understood why people can't get their head around what seems to me to be a pretty basic metaphysical concept.

Perhaps because it makes no sense.

If they eh, he, are, eh is, all God then Jesus cannot die can he?

Or do you have a quote that says God can die?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

As for me it is not important who sits were, He ( God ) can do whatever He wants, God is life and He can shear Himself any way he wants and with ever He wants

I agree. The sitting is not that important but the question of Jesus having a soul is as it leads to many implications.

Regards
DL

 

[Rav]

Perhaps because it makes no sense.

If they eh, he, are, eh is, all God then Jesus cannot die can he?

Or do you have a quote that says God can die?

Regards
DL

He didn't die. The physical body he inhabited died. In fact according to Christian mythology as well as that of a lot of other religions, everyone is essentially spiritually immortal.

 

[Greatest I am]

He didn't die. The physical body he inhabited died. In fact according to Christian mythology as well as that of a lot of other religions, everyone is essentially spiritually immortal.

So if the body was just what we would call a soulless mule that God was riding, then it was just a useless hulk to God and it's sacrifice had no value. Right?

Regards
DL

 

[arauca]

He didn't die. The physical body he inhabited died. In fact according to Christian mythology as well as that of a lot of other religions, everyone is essentially spiritually immortal.

4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18. 4

 

[Rav]

So if the body was just what we would call a soulless mule that God was riding, then it was just a useless hulk to God and it's sacrifice had no value. Right?

The whole point was for God to fully immerse himself in a human form; to live out a fleshly existence complete with all the genuine trials and tribulations that go with it. In his case, it ultimately culminated in one of the most torturous ordeals imaginable, finally resulting in physical death. Some theologians argue, from scripture, that Jesus even spent time suffering in Hell before briefly taking physical form again (the resurrection). If the Bible is to be believed, God experienced that, not as a detached transcendent entity, but first hand. So while you can certainly debate about whether or not it was truly the ultimate sacrifice (given that the suffering was temporary, and that Jesus always knew he would rise again in a rather glorious manner), to say that it wasn't even significant at all is to fail to understand Christian theology.

The way to attack Christianity these days, GIA, especially when you don't understand it very well, is to forget about the theology itself and focus on the historicity/veracity of the scripture it is based on. It's basically been thoroughly torn to shreds by Professor Dennis R. MacDonald in his book "The Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark". This is something of a groundbreaking work, and I challenge any open-minded person not to come away from the content without feeling as if the whole deal has been blown wide open. It's a game changer, and what people who have a chip on their shoulder about Christianity have been waiting for. The main substance of it has been quite effectively condensed into a video series by a third party, starting here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOzCMy9e5E&feature=player_embedded&list=PL1D58C69D194384D2

 

[Rav]

4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18. 4

Sorry, I missed this. Anyway...

You clearly don't understand what "death" means in the Christian context. I mean, to apply this implied simplistic definition of yours, when Jesus died on the cross, he was gone forever, never to rise again. Clearly this is not consistent with mainstream Christian theology. Rather, the soul never dies, regardless of it's location/eternal destination (hence my characterization of the soul as an immortal entity). There are of course more liberal views that suggest that damnation/eternal destruction are metaphors for a total cessation of existence, but then you're not really paying attention to scripture anymore, in which case you might as well drop any pretense that it's the authority behind that which you speak.

 

[leopold]

Does Jesus have a soul?

not any more.
my friend, jesus, down the street still has his though.

 

[KitemanSA]

I see an impossible catch 22 here and wondered if any Christian could shed some light to get out of this catch 22.

Ya just gotta have faith.

 

[Jan Ardena]

He didn't die. The physical body he inhabited died. In fact according to Christian mythology as well as that of a lot of other religions, everyone is essentially spiritually immortal.

Nice one Rav.
I apreciate it.

jan

 

[Greatest I am]

and I challenge any open-minded person not to come away from the content without feeling as if the whole deal has been blown wide open.

Therein lies the problem. Theists are anything but open minded.

Regards
DL

 

[wynn]

Therein lies the problem. Theists are anything but open minded.

Whose problem is that?

Yours.

 

[Freelance Policeman]

Does Jesus have a soul?

The hierarchy in heaven is God above and all souls below his position followed by angels if you happen to believe in those. That being the case, the human part of Jesus would also be below God and not at the right hand of God. No human soul can sit beside or be equal to God.

The God part of Jesus would be equal to the Father and Holy Spirit thus indistinguishable from either if he manifested himself. He could then sit at God’s right hand but his soul, being less than God-like could not.

If Jesus is at the highest level with God and it is impossible for a soul to be at that level, this indicates that Jesus somehow had two consciousnesses, one divine and one human in the same body on earth and that they would separate upon reaching heaven. That or Jesus had no soul.

If Jesus was not divine and a part of that strange Trinity concept, then he could not sit at the right hand of God as only God can sit at the highest level.

I see an impossible catch 22 here and wondered if any Christian could shed some light to get out of this catch 22.

Regards
DL

Wouldn't it be possible for a human to have a divine spirit inhabiting his body instead of a human one? There's no need for a dual soul. And in regards to Jesus' divinity, he made it quite clear that he was not the Father, or YHWH. YHWH referred to himself often as "The Most High God." If a "god" is anything superior to humans, then Jesus would qualify as a god. But he would not be equal to the Father.

Come on GIA, this is Christian mythology 101. The father, the son and the holy spirit are the same entity, manifesting in different ways. Even though I think it has no basis in reality, I've never understood why people can't get their head around what seems to me to be a pretty basic metaphysical concept.

I actually agree with your first sentence; the Trinity is mythology. The reason people can't "wrap their heads around it" is because it completely contradicts the Bible.

 

[Greatest I am]

Wouldn't it be possible for a human to have a divine spirit inhabiting his body instead of a human one? There's no need for a dual soul. And in regards to Jesus' divinity, he made it quite clear that he was not the Father, or YHWH. YHWH referred to himself often as "The Most High God." If a "god" is anything superior to humans, then Jesus would qualify as a god. But he would not be equal to the Father.

If equal to God then he would be spirit only as that is what God is.

As a Gnostic Christian, I have no problem with the God we have within or men being God WIP's, ---- as that is basically what Jesus taught. God is basically a set of rules and all men have their own.

[video=youtube;FdSVl_HOo8Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y[/video]

I actually agree with your first sentence; the Trinity is mythology. The reason people can't "wrap their heads around it" is because it completely contradicts the Bible.

If equal to God then he would be spirit only as that is what God is.

Regards
DL