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Does GOD only Exists?
- Thread starter Kumar
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Maybe this would say it better than I would ever do, it is the Emeralt Table of Hermes Trismegistus (egyptian Thot):
Translation of Issac Newton c. 1680.
"1) Tis true without lying, certain & most true.
2) That wch is below is like that wch is above & that wch is above is like yt wch is below to do ye miracles of one only thing.
3) And as all things have been & arose from one by ye mediation of one: so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation.
4) The Sun is its father, the moon its mother,
5) the wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth its nourse.
6) The father of all perfection in ye whole world is here.
7) Its force or power is entire if it be converted into earth.
7a) Seperate thou ye earth from ye fire, ye subtile from the gross sweetly wth great indoustry.
8) It ascends from ye earth to ye heaven & again it desends to ye earth and receives ye force of things superior & inferior.
9) By this means you shall have ye glory of ye whole world & thereby all obscurity shall fly from you.
10) Its force is above all force. ffor it vanquishes every subtile thing & penetrates every solid thing.
11a) So was ye world created.
12) From this are & do come admirable adaptaions whereof ye means (Or process) is here in this.
13) Hence I am called Hermes Trismegist, having the three parts of ye philosophy of ye whole world.
14) That wch I have said of ye operation of ye Sun is accomplished & ended."
Translation of Issac Newton c. 1680.
"1) Tis true without lying, certain & most true.
2) That wch is below is like that wch is above & that wch is above is like yt wch is below to do ye miracles of one only thing.
3) And as all things have been & arose from one by ye mediation of one: so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation.
4) The Sun is its father, the moon its mother,
5) the wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth its nourse.
6) The father of all perfection in ye whole world is here.
7) Its force or power is entire if it be converted into earth.
7a) Seperate thou ye earth from ye fire, ye subtile from the gross sweetly wth great indoustry.
8) It ascends from ye earth to ye heaven & again it desends to ye earth and receives ye force of things superior & inferior.
9) By this means you shall have ye glory of ye whole world & thereby all obscurity shall fly from you.
10) Its force is above all force. ffor it vanquishes every subtile thing & penetrates every solid thing.
11a) So was ye world created.
12) From this are & do come admirable adaptaions whereof ye means (Or process) is here in this.
13) Hence I am called Hermes Trismegist, having the three parts of ye philosophy of ye whole world.
14) That wch I have said of ye operation of ye Sun is accomplished & ended."
Hello,
Simplest question/thought:-
Does GOD as Prime force only exists and rest all other are its modifications?
Best wishes.
In one sense yes
BS 5.1: Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.
In another sense no
BG 2.12: Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.
just like smoke is a contingent aspect of fire, yet smoke has qualities that fire does not
In one sense yes
BS 5.1: Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.
In another sense no
BG 2.12: Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.
just like smoke is a contingent aspect of fire, yet smoke has qualities that fire does not
It does indicates as I thought. It can be GOD by any name. There can be many modifications of GOD, few alike him other bit deviated in properties alike fire, wood,(coal and ash also) smoke etc. as you told.
Now I am thinking, whether prime force is one or it also has a mediator alike other secondary forces are having. Either sole prime force(free will) exists which modified its mediator and secondary force/s from such mediator OR sole prime force and sole its mediator existed primarily. Premeshwari(extreme Goddess) ,Premeshwar(extreme GOD, Ishwar(God).....is indicated.
How so?It does indicates as I thought. It can be GOD by any name.
The difference between the names "fire" and "smoke" arise because of a difference of qualities
still despite all the varieties of phenomena from fire, it is understood that they are all contingent on fireThere can be many modifications of GOD, few alike him other bit deviated in properties alike fire, wood,(coal and ash also) smoke etc. as you told.
there are many expansions available to the supreme personality of godhead, but all of them are contingent on him, just as smoke, charcoal, etc are contingent on fireNow I am thinking, whether prime force is one or it also has a mediator alike other secondary forces are having. Either sole prime force(free will) exists which modified its mediator and secondary force/s from such mediator OR sole prime force and sole its mediator existed primarily. Premeshwari(extreme Goddess) ,Premeshwar(extreme GOD, Ishwar(God).....is indicated.
How so?
The difference between the names "fire" and "smoke" arise because of a difference of qualities
"He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes."
You can make shirt or pant from cloth. Thosugh they look different, still cloth is the source.
still despite all the varieties of phenomena from fire, it is understood that they are all contingent on fire
there are many expansions available to the supreme personality of godhead, but all of them are contingent on him, just as smoke, charcoal, etc are contingent on fire
May be fire(EM force). But five basic elements are indicated, so they may have other prime source.
Kumar
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If I talk of fire, smoke, heat, light, and charcoal, why can't four be contingent on fire?
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still there is a distinction between a roll of material and a shirt - at the very least you cannot wear a roll of material like you can a shirt - in the same way there is a distinction between god and his energies (iswar, jiva, prakrti) just like there is a distinction between fire and its energies (fire, heat, smoke)Originally Posted by lightgigantic
How so?
The difference between the names "fire" and "smoke" arise because of a difference of qualities
”
"He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes."
You can make shirt or pant from cloth. Thosugh they look different, still cloth is the source.
why?“
still despite all the varieties of phenomena from fire, it is understood that they are all contingent on fire
there are many expansions available to the supreme personality of godhead, but all of them are contingent on him, just as smoke, charcoal, etc are contingent on fire
”
May be fire(EM force). But five basic elements are indicated, so they may have other prime source.
If I talk of fire, smoke, heat, light, and charcoal, why can't four be contingent on fire?