Do you like how Dawkins, Hitchens et al. represent atheists?

[S.A.M.]

Atheism is the position that there is no deity. I don't care how thinly you slice it its still baloney!

And in the box next to religion, I have yet to see anyone write nontheistic superstition or UFO-logy

So there! Grrrrrrr!

 

[Xev]

Atheism is the position that there is no deity. I don't care how thinly you slice it its still baloney!

The fact that you do not agree with the position does not make it a religion.

And in the box next to religion, I have yet to see anyone write nontheistic superstition or UFO-logy

So your limited experience is the arbitrar of what is?

 

[S.A.M.]

The fact that you do not agree with the position does not make it a religion.

Atheists are such terrible cowards. *sniff*

You believe there is no god? Fine, just have the guts to admit it.

So your limited experience is the arbitrar of what is?

I have yet to see someone avoiding a black cat in their path being classified as a religion; as such I will stick to my definitions, TYVM

 

[Xev]

Atheists are such terrible cowards. *sniff*

You believe there is no god? Fine, just have the guts to admit it.

I believe I just did.
I do not believe in God.
Philosophy isn't a prize-fight - I don't hold the belief because it makes me feel brave or good or sexy, I hold that belief because it is where my cogitations have led me. But since you've started this - I do hold the courage of my own life, I do not seek to be dominated - I do not seek to dominate - I do not seek oblivion.
I think that's a bit more than most of you followers of Abrahamic Gods (jesus, though, doesn't that piss you off? I mean, historically the Jews invented your God ) can say.

I have yet to see someone avoiding a black cat in their path being classified as a religion; as such I will stick to my definitions, TYVM

I was referring to things like animism, which is only classed as a superstition because it suited various missionaries and colonial powers to portray the native religions of...wherever....as gross superstitions.

 

[GeoffP]

Atheism is the position that there is no deity. I don't care how thinly you slice it its still baloney!

One might - and probably should - say the same about several religions. How do you know atheism is "baloney"? What is your evidence? Don't smart answer it, just illustrate why you're right.

 

[GeoffP]

You believe there is no god? Fine, just have the guts to admit it.

Here: allow me, xev.

I don't believe there is a god, although I am not convinced. Of any of them, I am convinced that your god in particular is false. What now, Sam?

 

[S.A.M.]

I believe I just did.
I do not believe in God.
Philosophy isn't a prize-fight - I don't hold the belief because it makes me feel brave or good or sexy, I hold that belief because it is where my cogitations have led me. But since you've started this - I do hold the courage of my own life, I do not seek to be dominated - I do not seek to dominate - I do not seek oblivion.
I think that's a bit more than most of you followers of Abrahamic Gods (jesus, though, doesn't that piss you off? I mean, historically the Jews invented your God ) can say.



I was referring to things like animism, which is only classed as a superstition because it suited various missionaries and colonial powers to portray the native religions of...wherever....as gross superstitions.

There now, don't you feel better?

And Xev, you obviously don't know much about me if you think THAT can piss me off. *wink*

Here: allow me, xev.

I don't believe there is a god, although I am not convinced. Of any of them, I am convinced that your god in particular is false. What now, Sam?

I have a feeling you are a closet Christian; regardless, whatever.

 

[GeoffP]

I have a feeling you are a closet Christian; regardless, whatever.

Possibly. I certainly have sympathies in that regard, since they're (by and large) under control. Where they do no harm, I have no problem with them, nor Jews, nor Hindus, nor muslims. I have a feeling you're a closet extremist; regardless, whatever, you strike me as the kind of person that claims moderacy yet can't back down because you feel your faith is under attack. That's fine, but be honest about it.

 

[Xev]

There now, don't you feel better?

And Xev, you obviously don't know much about me if you think THAT can piss me off. *wink*

I didn't edit to spare your feelings - you're can put on your big girl burka and deal with it - I edited because I'm not a self-rightous dick.

But my point stands - absence of belief, or positive disbelief - is not a religion.

 

[S.A.M.]

I didn't edit to spare your feelings - you're can put on your big girl burka and deal with it - I edited because I'm not a self-rightous dick.

But my point stands - absence of belief, or positive disbelief - is not a religion.

I think so too, its not me you have to convince, its all the people who feel uncomfortable at the bloody history of atheist leaders.

 

[S.A.M.]

Possibly. I certainly have sympathies in that regard, since they're (by and large) under control. Where they do no harm, I have no problem with them, nor Jews, nor Hindus, nor muslims. I have a feeling you're a closet extremist; regardless, whatever, you strike me as the kind of person that claims moderacy yet can't back down because you feel your faith is under attack. That's fine, but be honest about it.

Closet extremist?

Is that the best you can do? Doesn't bother me, I don't dilute my opinions, in any case.

 

[Xev]

I think so too,

Oh?

Originally Posted by S.A.M.
Since religion includes atheism

its all the people who feel uncomfortable at the bloody history of atheist leaders.

I thought we already established that the pogroms were about consolidating power - we've established that Hitler was a Christian or at least, religious - we've gone over and over communism, and why the Russian orthodox churches were targeted in the first place - and you still come up with this.

Like a bad case of acne.

 

[S.A.M.]

Yes but don't you see, if they say the atheist leaders are about power, what are the theist leaders about? Acne? Adolescent angst?

 

[Xev]

S.A.M:

Yes but don't you see, if they say the atheist leaders are about power, what are the theist leaders about? Acne? Adolescent angst?

Power. I thought we'd been over this.

 

[S.A.M.]

S.A.M:


Power. I thought we'd been over this.

Yup, I totally agree.

Its nice to meet another smart, no bullshit woman.

 

[(Q)]

I think so too, its not me you have to convince, its all the people who feel uncomfortable at the bloody history of atheist leaders.

Atheism is the position that there is no deity. I don't care how thinly you slice it its still baloney!

Its nice to meet another smart, no bullshit woman.

 

[GeoffP]

Closet extremist?

Is that the best you can do? Doesn't bother me, I don't dilute my opinions, in any case.

It's funny that you seem to think closet Christian is somehow more worthy of censure than closet extremist. Shahada, anyone? No shirking, now.

 

[Xev]

Rather than saying that American atheists are a persecuted minority, I would say that we are, in fact, an irritated minority. It is important to understand, however, that the amount of irritation that we receive is not negligible. There is a de facto presumption, in our culture, that it is perfectly okay to criticize atheism and to belittle atheists for holding incorrect beliefs. At the same time there is a double standard where atheists are considered to be arrogant for assuming that we are correct in our beliefs and that we are bitter and hateful for having the audacity to question the beliefs of others. In particular, it is inevitable that if one admits to atheism it is only a short amount of time before someone comes along to challenge that admission with a set of arguments that we have heard innumerable times before. It is for this reason that atheists tend to have a very ironic familiarity with religious argument.

http://andrewlias.blogspot.com/search/label/atheism

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SAM:

Yup, I totally agree.

So why state things that you disagree with?

 

[spidergoat]

Richard Dawkins movies

 

[S.A.M.]

http://andrewlias.blogspot.com/search/label/atheism

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SAM:


So why state things that you disagree with?

*sigh* I was being sarcastic?