DNA change

[Xmo1]

Was there a significant human DNA mutation near the Christ event site in century -50BC to +50AD? Pick another great leader. Seems mutations should occur after population spurts, but if a significant event occurred it might also trigger changes in DNA? Sort of a question, or a statement.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You really have no idea how evolution works, do you?

 

[DaveC426913]

No idea what mutations have to do with leaders. Or leaders with population growth (Did Jesus say 'be fruitful and multiply'?).

Not to put too fine a point on it, but it's more likely to be the opposite: great die-offs will drive evolution through competition. When the populations increase, that lends to relieve evolutionary pressure (since the population is obviously not wanting for food).

 

[Xmo1]

Changes in DNA are caused by lots of things: stress, chemicals, natural phenomena, radiation, diseases, and many other things. But these are usually confined to individuals who are already living. My question, "Was there a significant human DNA mutation near the Christ event site in century -50BC to +50AD?" is a probe of that 100 years at a specific geography and time. I could also ask was there a significant change in DNA at the time and location of Einstein's birth, or Mozart's birth. So, is some natural, chemical, or social phenomena causing these brains to be born.

My hypothesis is that these types of exceptional brains are biologically generated as a result of conditions, specifically social stress, experienced by small populations of humans over a relatively short period of time in a given location. Maybe you have read of the 'guess the number of jelly beans in the jar,' where <50 people asked get the right answer averaged as a group within a few percent of the actual number - every time. I think there might be enough evidence to support or not the furtherance of the hypothesis. That would make them the result of a probabilistic behavior of a group of similar organisms under stressful conditions. Could be something other than stress, but what does the DNA record reflect?

<snicker>That seems to be what corporations are doing. They tried squeezing blood out of the turnip, but that didn't work. Now, they grind us down with stress - hoping that an exception pops that will lay the golden egg.</snicker>

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You still don't know how evolution works.

 

[exchemist]

Changes in DNA are caused by lots of things: stress, chemicals, natural phenomena, radiation, diseases, and many other things. But these are usually confined to individuals who are already living. My question, "Was there a significant human DNA mutation near the Christ event site in century -50BC to +50AD?" is a probe of that 100 years at a specific geography and time. I could also ask was there a significant change in DNA at the time and location of Einstein's birth, or Mozart's birth. So, is some natural, chemical, or social phenomena causing these brains to be born.

My hypothesis is that these types of exceptional brains are biologically generated as a result of conditions, specifically social stress, experienced by small populations of humans over a relatively short period of time in a given location. Maybe you have read of the 'guess the number of jelly beans in the jar,' where <50 people asked get the right answer averaged as a group within a few percent of the actual number - every time. I think there might be enough evidence to support or not the furtherance of the hypothesis. That would make them the result of a probabilistic behavior of a group of similar organisms under stressful conditions. Could be something other than stress, but what does the DNA record reflect?

<snicker>That seems to be what corporations are doing. They tried squeezing blood out of the turnip, but that didn't work. Now, they grind us down with stress - hoping that an exception pops that will lay the golden egg.</snicker>

The answer to your question has to be "no".

You seem to be confusing the life of an individual who made an exceptional contribution to human culture with some sort of change in the human genome. Not only is there no evidence at all for that idea, but there is evidence against it. If it were so, then one would expect a step-change in the capacities of a strain of humanity descended from these individuals. As there is no evidence of this, the conjecture would seem to be false.

 

[Xmo1]

The answer to your question has to be "no".
As there is no evidence of this, the conjecture would seem to be false.

That makes sense. Thanks. If it isn't evolution then what was it that caused these exceptional brains? Chance? Coffee? Chocolate? Love, if it were only so?

 

[DaveC426913]

That makes sense. Thanks. If it isn't evolution then what was it that caused these exceptional brains? Chance? Coffee? Chocolate? Love, if it were only so?

Cognitive ability plots as a Bell curve. There are always exceptional brains in every population.

These people happened to be at the right place at the right time with the right idea.

And it isn't even necessarily dependent on an exceptional brain. There's no reason to think that Jesus was exceptionally intelligent, just that he was at the right place at the right time with the right idea.

 

[exchemist]

That makes sense. Thanks. If it isn't evolution then what was it that caused these exceptional brains? Chance? Coffee? Chocolate? Love, if it were only so?

Who says they were exceptional brains? They were exceptional intellects. As I recall, there was a futile attempt to examine Einstein's brain after his death to determine what was special about it, without any convincing findings. It may be that there was something unusual about the brains of some of these people, or it may be the way their brains became programmed, by chance conditions during their development.

P.S. I see DaveC has made almost exactly the same point.

 

[Write4U]

That makes sense. Thanks. If it isn't evolution then what was it that caused these exceptional brains? Chance? Coffee? Chocolate? Love, if it were only so?

If we go way back in time before homo sapiens, there was a proven genetic mutation in our hominid ancestor, which may have resulted in a larger skull capacity to house a larger brain or possibly a greater folding of brain tissue.

Human Chromosome 2 is a fusion of two ancestral chromosomes.
All great apes apart from man have 24 pairs of chromosomes. There is therefore a hypothesis that the common ancestor of all great apes had 24 pairs of chromosomes and that the fusion of two of the ancestor's chromosomes created chromosome 2 in humans. The evidence for this hypothesis is very strong.

http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm[/quote]

 

[spidergoat]

There were probably many potential Mozarts, but they didn't get the advantage of being born with access to a harpsichord or the social engines of fame.

 

[DaveC426913]

There were probably many potential Mozarts, but they didn't get the advantage of being born with access to a harpsichord or the social engines of fame.

Then again, some are so brilliant that, even in isolation, with with virtually no education, no community and no access to materials at all, they pretty much re-invent their discipline from the ground up, enough to reach - and even surpass - their peers, making substantial contributions in the process.

 

[spidergoat]

Could be some normal variation in brain structure. Or autism. Or William's Syndrome in Christ's case.

 

[Write4U]

Then again, some are so brilliant that, even in isolation, with with virtually no education, no community and no access to materials at all, they pretty much re-invent their discipline from the ground up, enough to reach - and even surpass - their peers, making substantial contributions in the process.

Erroll Garner (pianist) never had a formal music lesson

Although Garner never learned to read music, and taught himself how to play and compose, his unique virtuoso technique attracted many imitators and ardent fans. His technique included a four-beat fixed pulse of blocked chords in the left hand, using wide-spaced voicings similar to swing rhythm-guitar playing, and he often “kicked” the beat in a style similar to a swing drummer. Strong and bouncy left-hand rhythms and beautiful melodies were the trademarks of Garner’s music.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/people...ic-popular-and-jazz-biographies/erroll-garner

Yet he created some unforgettable performances, now considered classics in jazz.

 

[sculptor]

As far back as the archaeological record can take us, there have been people of inventive genius.

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speaking of which
Has anyone found verifiable Solutrean dna?

 

[Andrew256]

I'm sure there's a lot of "exceptional brains" being born into this world on a constant basis, which are unable to develop their potential due to social, economic factors, or simply haven't found the way to understand and exercise their predisposition talents.

In other words, Einstein, Mozart (overrated if you ask me), and other exceptional talets could be just lucky to have found the spark that uncovered their talents, and resources to support those talents.

 

[Write4U]

Then again, some are so brilliant that, even in isolation, with with virtually no education, no community and no access to materials at all, they pretty much re-invent their discipline from the ground up, enough to reach - and even surpass - their peers, making substantial contributions in the process.

And often introduce a whole new perspective with their interpretation and delivery, changing the traditional concepts into a whole new direction.

 

[Michael 345]

Did Jesus say 'be fruitful and multiply

I thought he said "be fruitfly"

Nobody understood it then either

 

[exchemist]

I thought he said "be fruitfly"

Nobody understood it then either

Haha.

But in any case the quotations in question comes from Genesis, so it is not attributed to Jesus, i.e. the embodiment of God the Son, but the Jewish God of the Old Testament.

 

[exchemist]

I'm sure there's a lot of "exceptional brains" being born into this world on a constant basis, which are unable to develop their potential due to social, economic factors, or simply haven't found the way to understand and exercise their predisposition talents.

In other words, Einstein, Mozart (overrated if you ask me), and other exceptional talets could be just lucky to have found the spark that uncovered their talents, and resources to support those talents.

I know what you mean about Mozart. Noel Coward once described his music as like the sound of piddling on flannel. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2002/sep/28/classicalmusicandopera.artsfeatures

I used to struggle to enjoy Mozart, until I started singing it. I have changed my mind*. However I suspect people take Mozart as an example of genius mainly because of his childhood precocity - playing the harpsichord and the violin at the age of five, and so forth. The composer whose music I personally find the most inexhaustibly fulfilling is J S Bach (against whose complexity Mozart and Haydn were a sort of reaction). But musical preference is notoriously a matter of personal taste.

* Here is the Qui Tollis from the Gloria of Mozart's Mass in C minor:

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This is fabulous to sing.