Divine Justice?

Throckmorton

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Hi All,

Apparantly the "Left Behind" series of books depicts Jesus as slaughtering most of the people on the planet and sending them to the pit of eternal torment.

I don't agree with this representation of Christ. The teachings of Christ were a major step forward in the morality of the time and remain are still (in general) fine moral guidelines today.

Anybody who worships a god who plans to slaughter most of the people on the planet is worshiping a very evil god. It doesn't matter what name is used for this evil god or whether it's claimed that the god is slaughtering people in the name of all that is good.....Evil is as evil does.

I realize that there is an argument that goes something like "If you worhip Him you'll be treated well by him". Going by this logic one would have to conclude that Saddam Hussien was a very fine fellow.

It saddens that many worship Christ as a sort of celestial Saddam.
 
Tracing the Rapture Heresy
anonymous asked:

"have you read the the Left Behind series by Jerry B. Jenkins? what do you think of it? "

"I consider the "Left Behind" series of fictional novels to be nothing more than religious pornography, created to satisfy the purient malevolence of its audience. The absolute worst use of Biblical prophecy, is to create some monsterous revenge fantacy where an audience is allowed to gleefully imagine how all of their enemies will soon be tortured and destroyed. And these sick novels allow its audience to savor every pathologically lurid detail. Such books are not only false theologically, but they are extremely sinful and destructive in that they encourage a hateful and vengeful attitude towards others, rather than encouraging Christian tolerance and a love of your neighbor. They are based upon the idea that fundamentalist Christians won't have to go through the tribulation - only those who disagree with them will. They are the ugly fruit of an ugly herecy ---" --- posted by R. Stephen Hanchett


There is no anticipation of a Rapture and no prophecy of the church as the body of Christ is given in the Old Testiment, also nowhere in the book of Revelation is any of a Rapture of the church occurring either in the process of the Tribulation it self or at the time of The Day of The Lord, which is also referred to as The Second Coming.

The basic doctrine of the Rapture was left to the apostle Saul/St.Paul, through special revelation from his god, to reveal later in 1 Thessalonians and the other Epistles.

As you read, you will find out that Saul's Lord Jesus Christ and the Beast that St.John wrote about are of the same violent wicked spirit, having the same character and personality .---> a vengefull destroyer and killer,---violent and wicked.. When the Son of Man, the King to come is known, you will find out the character and personality of those that worship Saul's Lord Jesus Christ by their actions, not their words, and their vengeful wickeness will be reveal to the whole world who Saul's Jesus Christ really is. "YES, the time is coming that whoever kill will think that he offers God service. And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me." - ( John 16:1-2)

Saul/St.Paul's revelation of his Lord Jesus Christ's power to destroy and kill.
---" And to you who are trouble rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire "taking vengeance" on them that know not God and the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be "punished with everlasting destruction" from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and admired in all them that believed ( because our testimony among you was believed ) in that day. --- And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and "shall destroy" with brightness of his coming.-( 2 Thess 1:7-10, and 2:8 )

St.John's Revelation of the Beast's power to destroy and kill.
---" And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly would was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, --- And he had power to give life unto The Image of the Beast, that The Image of the Beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship The Image of the Beast should be killed. (Rev.13:12-13 and 15)

---JESUS said, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. --- Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them." ( Matthew 7:15-20 ) --- ( fruits --> the result of action )

Peace be with you, Paul
 
The absolute worst use of Biblical prophecy, is to create some monsterous revenge fantacy where an audience is allowed to gleefully imagine how all of their enemies will soon be tortured and destroyed.

That's worshiping an evil deity and calling it good.....that is what I call "sick shit".
 
Vengance

(Non Paul rightings)
Luke 18
1 Then He spoke a parable to them, that men always ought to pray and not lose heart, 2 saying: "There was in a certain city a judge who did not fear God nor regard man. 3 "Now there was a widow in that city; and she came to him, saying, 'Get justice for me from my adversary.' 4 "And he would not for a while; but afterward he said within himself, 'Though I do not fear God nor regard man, 5 'yet because this widow troubles me I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.' " 6 Then the Lord said, "Hear what the unjust judge said. 7 "And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? 8 "I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?"

Revelation 6
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both [the number of] their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Revelation 19
1 After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, "Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God! 2 "For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her."

God is what He is. Not what men want him to be.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
God is what He is.

You're saying that God is an extremely evil deity who plans to slaughter most of the people on the earth and burn them for eternity?

You're saying that God is some sort of celestial Saddam Hussein?
 
I am not saying that God is "an evil deity."

Yes from prophesy i believe that God will "slaughter most of the people on the earth and burn them for eternity"

I am not saying that God is some sort of celestial Saddam Hussein.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
Yes from prophesy i believe that God will "slaughter most of the people on the earth and burn them for eternity"

That's the definition of an evil deity. You believe in a "celestial Saddam Hussein".

It doesn't matter what name you use for this evil monster you worship......evil is as evil does.

There are many gods to choose from that are far kinder than the beast that you worship.
 
There is only One God. The God Of Abraham. He is first a God of Justice but also a God of loving kindness to those who seek His mercy. All others are the vain creations of man or inspirations of demons.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
Is the "R" in R. Stephen Hanchett for "reverend" by any chance? At any rate, that was a highly intelligent critique of all those fundamentalist works. I don't know the Left Behind books myself, but I do know Jack Chick's cartoons, which, looking through some of them, I thought were fairly harmless general Christian propaganda, until I saw the one in which he accused Catholics of being traitors to their country and consigning them to eternal torment in Hell.

This whole thing very successfully highlights the problem that extends further from strictly Fundamentalist points of view and actually infests a great deal of Protestantism in the United States. They basically have no theology whatsoever. Two thousand years ago and more, the Jews recognised the need for interpretation of the scripture, and they created the Talmud. The early church had convocations at different times to fix doctrine. In the Church of England, as in the Roman Catholic Church, prospective pastors have to undergo extensive learning of all the different approaches to each religious and Bible-inspired question. But any idiot can start the "Hellfire Baptist Church", and issue ordinations without any thought at all. And the result is a Fundamentalist ethic which does a disservice to their parishioners.
 
There is only One God. The God Of Abraham. He is first a God of Justice but also a God of loving kindness to those who seek His mercy. All others are the vain creations of man or inspirations of demons.

Lol, can't help but to laugh at such bollocks.
 
Adstar: There is only One God. The God Of Abraham. He is first a God of Justice but also a God of loving kindness to those who seek His mercy. All others are the vain creations of man or inspirations of demons.
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M*W: Abraham worshipped many idols as well as the Sun. Early humans feared and awed the Sun, and it became God to them. Early monotheism was worship of the Sun. Abraham believed in the monotheistic Sun around 1800 BCE, and Moses believed in Aten the Sun God around 1400 BCE. Humanity's original God hasn't changed, only the names God has been called have changed over cultures and time. You call the Sun "God," and you also call the Sun "the Son of God," but they're not. That's why its called "monotheism." Nothing's changed. You're still worshipping the Sun and don't know it.
 
He is first a God of Justice but also a God of loving kindness to those who seek His mercy.

According to you God IS a celestial Saddam Hussein. Both show kidness to those who bow to them and slaughter those who don't.

Your God is evil by definition just as Saddam Hussein is.

You're worshiping an extremely evil deity. Just because you say that he's "good" doesn't make him so. Many thought Saddam Hussein was good but that doesn't change the fact that he's quite evil.
 
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