Fair enough we’ll ignore your question. We can focus on your attitude instead.Please, all thoose who arent religious, DONT answer.
Hmm, so these people aren’t/wern’t capable of intelligent answers then, right –Youre physically unable to reply with intelligent answers.
In a religious dominated society it would appear that the non-religious are the only ones that have a found the way to think for themselves.All non-religious people are brainwashed by the atheists.
Originally posted by Cris
Judas2k,
Fair enough we’ll ignore your question. We can focus on your attitude instead.
Hmm, so these people aren’t/wern’t capable of intelligent answers then, right –
James Madison, American president and political theorist (1751-1836).
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution."
"In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people."
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." [April 1, 1774]
Robert Green Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer (1833-1899).
"The universe is all the God there is."
"Our ignorance is God; what we know is science."
"With soap, baptism is a good thing."
"The clergy know that I know that they know that they do not know."
"Why should I allow that same God to tell me how to raise my kids, who had to drown His own?"
"There is no harmony between religion and science. When science was a child, religion sought to strangle it in the cradle. Now that science has attained its youth, and superstition is in its dotage, the trembling, palsied wreck says to the athlete: 'Let us be friends.' It reminds me of the bargain the cock wished to make with the horse: 'Let us agree not to step on each other's feet.'"
"For ages, a deadly conflict has been waged between a few brave men and women of thought and genius upon the one side, and the great ignorant religious mass on the other. This is the war between Science and Faith. The few have appealed to reason, to honor, to law, to freedom, to the known, and to happiness here in this world. The many have appealed to prejudice, to fear, to miracle, to slavery, to the unknown, and to misery hereafter. The few have said, "Think!" The many have said, "Believe!" [The Gods, 1872]
Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist (1835-1910).
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so."
"'In God We Trust.' I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true."
"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
"Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes and wishes he was certain of."
Thomas Edison, American inventor (1847-1931).
"Religion is all bunk."
"I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God."
George Bernard Shaw, Irish-born English playwright (1856-1950).
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
William Howard Taft, American President and Chief Justice (1857-1930).
"I do not believe in the divinity of Christ and there are many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe."
Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathematician, and social critic (1872-1970).
"I wish to propose for the reader's favourable consideration a doctrine which may, I fear, appear wildly paradoxical and subversive. The doctrine in question is this: that it is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true."
"I am myself a dissenter from all known religions, and I hope that every kind of religious belief will die out."
"Religion is based . . . mainly on fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race." [quoted in Holy Horrors]
Albert Einstein, German born American threoretical physicist (1879-1955).
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." [From a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954. It is included in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, published by Princeton University Press.
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
Ernest Hemingway, American author (1899-1961).
"All thinking men are atheists." [A Farewell to Arms]
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In a religious dominated society it would appear that the non-religious are the only ones that have a found the way to think for themselves.
Now if you really want to discuss brainwashing then the history of Christianity offers astounding evidence especially when considering its own admission of evangelical preaching.
Cris, this deserves the Pulitzer Prize at the very least! What a true statement you have made! I hope it offers insight to those who are limited in their capacity to think for themselves. It certainly inspired me, and I'm not afraid to think OR speak!
And somehow this should concern us?I pity you,
Ignorance of what? You have not demonstrated any great wisdom or knowledge yet so who are you to judge us?youre all so locked in your own ignorance.
Riiight! Fortunately dogs don’t post here so it looks like you wasted your time.This topic was pure sarcastic.It was a bait, bait for
DOGS. I posted it to confirm my beliefs about you.
Cris, so are you saying that any belief in any form of diety/God/omnipotent entity...whatever you care to "label" it as = Religion?In a religious dominated society it would appear that the non-religious are the only ones that have a found the way to think for themselves.
By definition. If it were natural it wouldn’t be defined as ‘super’ natural.what makes you to believe that supernatural realm is not natural at all..?
Originally posted by Cris
Everything we know is naturalistic. Until it has been detected the supernatural is just a concept and cannot be seen as anything other than a fantasy product of human imagination.
No there is a fundamental difference. Science is based on observation and detection. A god concept is based entirely on baseless speculation.But just as the concepts and theories of physics and math are used to explain our physical world, the concept of the one god is important to explain the purpose of this physcial world, morality, and ethics....
If it includes a belief in a supernatural force then by definition it has a religious nature.and why call a mere believe in a concept a religion.
It is irrelevant whether they follow an institutional religion or not.Many people keep their believes private and don't get invovled in exclusive doctrines and are not selling the believe, profiting from the believe, acting as a teacher to the believe, ect....so why do you call those religionist.
Why not? If they have the ability to use mathematics to that extent then they are mathematicians.We don't call people that count their money or the stars in the sky mathematicians...do we?
No you were simply ignorant.I knew nothing of Atheism, yet I constructed a whole set of stereotypes in my mind and I attributed them to Athesim. This was the work of my imagination, because I couldn't possibly think of true Atheism because I wasn't one...I was merely speculating..
Why not? If someone is a man why would they object to being called a man?it's not right to label or pegeon hole people,
Religions exist whether they are labeled or not. Whether Jesus called himself religious or not is irrelevant. He would be religious as a result of his actions.because that's how religions are created.
You are confusing institutional religion with generic religion. If someone believes in a supernatural entity and that it will affect their life then that person is religious according to the definition. The person may not communicate that belief to anyone else and the details of that belief may not match any other religion. But the person is religious whether anyone calls them religious or not.Religions don't exist unless they are perceived by others and labeled by others...
No. The label is true depending on their actions or properties. For example a woman is so labeled because she has specific physical properties. Those properties have nothing to do with my imagination. Similarly someone is religious if they act according to the definition of religion.the minute someone lables us, he/she is responsible for setting the imaginary world in their minds and imposing it on us.
And without any proof such beliefs can only be based on imagination. While the thoughts and beliefs are real the objects to which they apply are only imaginary if they cannot be detected.To the person believing and thinking, his/her believes and thoughts are very real, but for you it's mere imagination....
Originally posted by Cris
Everneo,
By definition. If it were natural it wouldn’t be defined as ‘super’ natural.
Everything we know is naturalistic. Until it has been detected the supernatural is just a concept and cannot be seen as anything other than a fantasy product of human imagination.
Originally posted by Cris
Flores,
No there is a fundamental difference. Science is based on observation and detection. A god concept is based entirely on baseless speculation.
Originally posted by Cris
If it includes a belief in a supernatural force then by definition it has a religious nature.
Originally posted by Cris
It is irrelevant whether they follow an institutional religion or not.
Originally posted by Cris
Why not? If they have the ability to use mathematics to that extent then they are mathematicians.
Originally posted by Cris
No you were simply ignorant.
Originally posted by Cris
Why not? If someone is a man why would they object to being called a man?
Originally posted by Cris
Religions exist whether they are labeled or not. Whether Jesus called himself religious or not is irrelevant. He would be religious as a result of his actions.
Originally posted by Cris
You are confusing institutional religion with generic religion.
Originally posted by Cris
If someone believes in a supernatural entity and that it will affect their life then that person is religious according to the definition.
Originally posted by Cris
The person may not communicate that belief to anyone else and the details of that belief may not match any other religion. But the person is religious whether anyone calls them religious or not.
Originally posted by Cris
No. The label is true depending on their actions or properties. For example a woman is so labeled because she has specific physical properties. Those properties have nothing to do with my imagination. Similarly someone is religious if they act according to the definition of religion.
Originally posted by Cris
And without any proof such beliefs can only be based on imagination. While the thoughts and beliefs are real the objects to which they apply are only imaginary if they cannot be detected.
No. It is just a baseless imaginative concept.The Super Natural is Natural, it is just outside, beyond, above, superior to, the natural order of the Material World of Reality.