Die For Your Country

Buffalo Roam said:
It's really funny to listen to the liberals to discuss war, death, and dieing like they have any idea of what there talking about, all they do is take the moral high ground and try to tell the U.S. and Israel the proper way to lose a war, I won't die for my country, and I didn't die for my country, I made the other dumb bastard who came up against me die for his country, that is war, at its most primal, basic survival, no thoughts about the Geneva Convention, no thoughts about the IHL, just the self serving interest in surviving the next 10 seconds, and trying to make sure my brothers in arms survive in the same manner, and it isn't any different for nations, they have there own motives and interests, and for survival those will always come before the interest of any other nation, or organization that takes another country on, the Israeli have their interests and will act on them when is serves their national interest, and Hamas is getting paid for everything they have earned, and the U.S. will do the same thing and has done the same thing, neither right or wrong just facts of international survival, and if your going to start a war like Hamas has it time For the U.S. to stop saving their ass and let the Israeli finish the JOB RIGHT this time, because it wasn't the Israeli that the U.S. was saving every time it stopped a middle east conflict it was the Arabs.

As i recall the army isn't only constituted by Americans. Apparently even democratic presidential candidates have spend some time in the army.

Moreover, I have it from reliable sources that the entire Soviet Army was just infested with filthy communists. Imagine that. Not just liberals. PINKOS!

As for being a pinko socialist myself I have also been in the army.

So maybe you and your buddy Spacemansteve can drop your fanatical religious dogma that republicans are the army.
 
Never heard Steve say that, don't remember saying that my self, have many democratic friends and find them as ready as I was to defend their families and country from Communism, and the Islmo fascist of today, and they laugh their ass off over the stupidity of your post, and tell me I'm not being fair in hammering them with you stupidity, and that's their words, My brother followed my fathers lead and is a registered democrat, and retired from the military and he thinks your totally stupid, as dose his Wife, another retired military person, who's education started as a medical transcriptions, and ended as a Nurse Practitioner, Neo-Natal, juvenile Wellness Specialist, one of five in the whole Air Force, she thinks your are hilarious.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
I think George has all the balls he needs it take balls to strap yourself into a high performance aircraft and just take it off the ground, you definitely have to stay in front of the curve or you end up spreading you precious bodily fluids all over the landscape.
LOL!!!! Are we talking about the same George that was a cheerleader in college!! :p Pussy George, born to elites in Connecticut, Yale cheerleader, got daddy to get him out of the draft and he's your alphamale !?!LOLOLOL!! At least you have a sense of humor.
 
Pussy Genji, do you have the balls to learn to fly a High preformance fighter plane, do you even have the reaction time to qualify, let alone the brains, I bet you would be a wash out. Oh by the way he did voluntier for missions.
 
Oh by the way he did voluntier for missions.

Bush volunteered for missions? Are you talking about missions in Vietnam? If so, LoL! He wanted far away from combat as possible. The only reason why he chose to fly planes is because they're fun. No way in heck was he gonna show his skills in a real dogfight.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030411.html

Dear Cecil:

Since you've already covered the Bush family's relationship to the Nazis (thank you), I thought maybe you'd also cover another timely topic. I've heard many times and in many places (but none mainstream that I can think of) that George W. Bush was AWOL for at least a year from the National Guard during Vietnam (after "jumping the line" to get a slot in the guard in the first place). For some reason (I'm not sure why), I have trust in the Straight Dope. Can you tell me/us if the person sending others to war in Iraq was really derelict in his military duties? How serious an offense would that behavior have been considered, generally, during the Vietnam war? Lastly, if George was actually AWOL, and that would have been the equivalent of a felony for most people, why haven't we been hearing about this issue? --Kerry J. Johnson, Bellingham, Washington

Cecil replies:

Yeah, the mainstream media have really kept a lid on this one. We wouldn't know anything about Bush going AWOL if it hadn't been for that obscure underground newspaper the Boston Globe, which broke the story nationally in May 2000. But you're right that coverage has been pretty thin. A few months after the 2000 election, former Bill Clinton adviser Paul Begala said he'd done a Nexis search and found 13,641 stories about Clinton's alleged draft dodging versus 49 about George W. Bush's military record. Why the disparity? We'll get to that. First the basics: Yes, it's true, Bush didn't report to his guard unit for an extended period--17 months, by one account. It wasn't considered that serious an offense at the time, and if circumstances were different now I'd be inclined to write it off as youthful irresponsibility. However, given the none-too-subtle suggestion by the Bush administration that opponents of our Iraqi excursion lack martial valor, I have to say: You guys should talk.

Here's the story as generally agreed upon: In January 1968, with the Vietnam war in full swing, Bush was due to graduate from Yale. Knowing he'd soon be eligible for the draft, he took an air force officers' test hoping to secure a billet with the Texas Air National Guard, which would allow him to do his military service at home. Bush didn't do particularly well on the test--on the pilot aptitude section, he scored in the 25th percentile, the lowest possible passing grade. But Bush's father, George H.W., was then a U.S. congressman from Houston, and strings were pulled. The younger Bush vaulted to the head of a long waiting list--a year and a half long, by some estimates--and in May of '68 he was inducted into the guard.

By all accounts Bush was an excellent pilot, but apparently his enthusiasm cooled. In 1972, four years into his six-year guard commitment, he was asked to work for the campaign of Bush family friend Winton Blount, who was running for the U.S. Senate in Alabama. In May Bush requested a transfer to an Alabama Air National Guard unit with no planes and minimal duties. Bush's immediate superiors approved the transfer, but higher-ups said no. The matter was delayed for months. In August Bush missed his annual flight physical and was grounded. (Some have speculated that he was worried about failing a drug test--the Pentagon had instituted random screening in April.) In September he was ordered to report to a different unit of the Alabama guard, the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery. Bush says he did so, but his nominal superiors say they never saw the guy, there's no documentation he ever showed up, and not one of the six or seven hundred soldiers then in the unit has stepped forward to corroborate Bush's story.

After the November election Bush returned to Texas, but apparently didn't notify his old Texas guard unit for quite a while, if ever. The Boston Globe initially reported that he started putting in some serious duty time in May, June, and July of 1973 to make up for what he'd missed. But according to a piece in the New Republic, there's no evidence Bush did even that. Whatever the case, even though his superiors knew he'd blown off his duties, they never disciplined him. (No one's ever been shot at dawn for missing a weekend guard drill, but policy at the time was to put shirkers on active duty.) Indeed, when Bush decided to go to business school at Harvard in the fall of 1973, he requested and got an honorable discharge--eight months before his service was scheduled to end.

Bush's enemies say all this proves he was a cowardly deserter. Nonsense. He was a pampered rich kid who took advantage. Why wasn't he called on it in a serious way during the 2000 election? Probably because Democrats figured they'd get Clinton's draft-dodging thing thrown back at them. Not that it matters. If history judges Bush harshly--and it probably will--it won't be for screwing up as a young smart aleck, but for getting us into this damn fool war.

--CECIL ADAMS

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crazy151drinker said:
cool skill:

Please show how Bill Gates and Warren Buffet the two richest people on earth have benifited from the Iraq war.
You do it.
 
Well, the United States military knows better than to load Microsoft Windows into its F-18s. That leaves Warren Buffet... do the Iraqis need insurance? I'm stumped. What's the answer?
 
The government had been trying to find an excuse to go into Iraq for years. George Bush 1 did it. Billy Clinton started the whole weapons of mass destruction charade. Meanwile, the people of the USA are left stuggling to make ends meet while the rich go about doing whatever they want enjoying the fruits of poor people labor.
 
Neildo, I would like you to post legal proof of your alligations that Lt. Bush was AWOL, that story was proven false, time and again, as usual all you do is repeat the gossip and innuendo of the LL, and cannot provide back up for your fish wife tongue, lets see the legal proof of the allegation not forged documents, and the way they forged the document was hilarious, they didn't even have the right document form and the document was printed on a dot matrix printer which didn't exist in the 70tys,
 
Your proof is a blog site, I was requesting verifiable government records, and from what I see spidergoat your are the sockpuppet of nieldo, so how about coming out of hiding.
The only forms that I have ever seen presented in evidence are not the standard form for record keeping in the U.S. Armed Forces, they are not even ruled properly for a government form.
 
It's common knowledge his daddy pulled some strings to get him out prematurely. It is consistent with his behavior, not caring very much about the Vietnam war one way or the other, partying his ass off, getting a DUI for coke...
 
And the military at that time was using electric and Manuel typewriters, the dot matrix had not been integrated into the systems yet.

In November 1970, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, the commander of the Texas Air National Guard, recommended that Bush be promoted to First Lieutenant, calling him "a dynamic outstanding young officer" who stood out as "a top notch fighter interceptor pilot." He said that "Lt. Bush's skills far exceed his contemporaries," and that "he is a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership. Lt. Bush is also a good follower with outstanding disciplinary traits and an impeccable military bearing."

According to some media outlets, Bush jumped to the top of a list of over 500 applicants for his position as a pilot despite receiving the minimum passing score (25) on the pilot entrance aptitude test and listing no other qualifications.[3] Other reports indicated that although there were many candidates interested in weekend enlisted duty, there were fewer, if any, people who were both sufficiently educated to qualify for an officer pilot position and willing to commit to the more than one year of full-time service required of Air National Guard pilots

Air National Guard members could volunteer for active duty service with the Air Force in a program called Palace Alert, which deployed F-102 pilots to Europe and Southeast Asia, including Vietnam and Thailand. According to three pilots from Bush's squadron, Bush inquired about this program well after all F-102s had been withdrawn from Southeast Asia, and was advised by the base commander that he did not have the necessary experience (500 hours) at the time and that the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.[8]

In early 2004, at the request of the White House, retired Texas Air National Guard Lieutenant Colonel Albert Lloyd reviewed Bush's payroll records and stated that Bush earned 253 points for service done during his 1968-69 retirement year (May 27 through May 26 of the following year), 340 points for 1969-70, 137 points for 1970-71, 112 points for 1971-72, 56 points for 1972-73, and 56 points for 1973-74. National Guard members needed at least 50 points for a given year for a satisfactory retirement year. The memorandum from Lloyd concluded 'This clearly shows that 1LT George Bush has satisfactory years for both 72-73 and 73-74 which proves that he completed his military obligation in a satisfactory manner."
 
spidergoat
It's common knowledge his daddy pulled some strings to get him out prematurely. It is consistent with his behavior, not caring very much about the Vietnam war one way or the other, partying his ass off, getting a DUI for coke...

Common knowledge is not legal proof, and time and again what people believe as common knowledge is nothing more than vicious gossiped repeated by fishwife gossips.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Common knowledge is not legal proof, and time and again what people believe as common knowledge is nothing more than vicious gossiped repeated by fishwife gossips.

Gossip like "Iraq has WMDs..."
 
Buffalo Roam said:
spidergoat


Common knowledge is not legal proof, and time and again what people believe as common knowledge is nothing more than vicious gossiped repeated by fishwife gossips.

here is a whole load of proven facts on bush's air national guard service.
 
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