Destruction of the world

Do you believe a civilization existed in the past, that utilized nuclear physics?

  • Yes, I believe its possible.

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • No, the world has never been as advanced as it is today.

    Votes: 10 71.4%

  • Total voters
    14
It's poetry (well it rhymes). So what?
Your idea that it's an infallible prophecy is about as factual as your ideas on world-tipping bombs and super-civilisations.
 
Oli said:
It's poetry (well it rhymes). So what?
Your idea that it's an infallible prophecy is about as factual as your ideas on world-tipping bombs and super-civilisations.

Killjoy.
Your not having a "happy time" are you?

In 5,000 years if they can even find a trace of your existance, (the bible says it will be reduced to ashes and the rightous shall walk out upon the ashes of the wicked dead)....if there are any heathens that won't believe what God did in that day, they will be doubting you ever had something called a computer, and when they find some cave painting of Ozzy eating the head off a bat, what do you think they will make of it?

They will say...
"Stop being stupid and realize the fact that your super-civilizations didnt exist." :)
 
You've said that 3 times now - I still don't believe it. And for your information I'll still be around. Can't die, I have too many books to read. So I'll explain to them what the Ozzy/ bat painting is for and do some very bad air guitar impressions of "Paranoid" and "Iron Man".
PS thankyou for the concern over my "happiness" but it's not something I bother about.
 
Actually, I was just joking. :cool:
Your not the worst critic by far I've provoked with my "ancient bomb caused the flood" statement.

But, do I have to do all the work for you guys?
I'm starting a new job 200 miles from my home so I'm going to be gone again for awhile.
Don't everybody cheer at once.
The "truth is out there"
What I've said is true about the lost nuclear science that destroyed the world.
Do your footwork, investigate green glass in the Indus valley, 5,000 year old stories about flying machines and bombs with the destructive power of the universe in the "Vedas", the Biblical destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, salt levels in the dead sea, underwater salvage in the zero oxygen envirornment of the Dead Sea that preserved objects made of metal for thousands of years.
Discoveries buried in vaults and hidden away from public view by archaeologist's with an agenda.
Giant skeletons that prove the accounts of giants in the Bible accurate they didn't want you to see.
Mayan gold artifacts in the shape of a jet fighter aircraft, technology we didn't have until after WWII, when they built a wooden mock-up of it, exactly to proportions....it flew.
Prove me wrong.

I've got something else for you to ponder.

You know those lights they see at night, moving with inteligence and speed that they can't explain.
( I don't mean the "secret" government black budget stuff )
I'm talking about living creatures, beings of light...theophonic life forms.
They are investigating the world for the coming judgment against it.
The civilization that will replace this one is so far beyond this there can be no comparison.
Immortality, travel like a thought....

This is the day of your visitation.
 
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I'm talking about living creatures, beings of light...theophonic life forms.
They are investigating the world for the coming judgment against it.
The civilization that will replace this one is so far beyond this there can be no comparison.
Immortality, travel like a thought....

This is the day of your visitation.

Oh so basicly angels eh? Sorry to tell you there not angels. But you are right about one thing. there can be no comparison. There not judges. There not evidence gathers. There beings just like us but a little higher on the evolutionary timescale.
 
The Visitor certainly does roil the waters.

He is right that the Great Pyramid was once covered in highly polished white limestone. Thse were removed over the course of many centuries commencing circa 1300 AD following a large earthquake that shook the region and loosened many of the casing stones. All were stripped and used in nearby Cairo (highly-polished smooth limestone walls are expensive to make - and a huge supply lay for the taking at the pyramids), except for the uppermost ones of the Khafre pyramid which are still in place, and a few of the bottom-most casing stones of the Great Pyramid, which were apparently buried by sand and overlooked by the strippers - thereby allowing us the exact dimensions of the Great Pyramid as originally constructed.

The standard depiction of the pyramid era, circa 2800-2600 B.C., is that Zoser built the first 'pyramid' when his architect Imhotep expanded upon the standard Mastaba with two separate expansions, resulting in a 'step pyramid'.

Subsequently, a 'true' pyramid was attempted (by Zoser's son?), but collapsed during the course of construction, being the famous 'collapsed pyramid of Meidum'. Huni's pyramid (Zoser's grandson?) was reportedly already under construction, with the same steep sides, and midway through the course of construction, the angle was lessened, and it still stands today as the 'bent pyramid'.

Huni's son Snofru then had constructed the 'Red pyramid', of lesser angle, also still standing, the first 'true' pyramid.

Now having acquired a large supply of skilled stone masons and of pyramid-building work ethic, Snofru's son Khufu (Cheops) embarked upon his pyramid at the Giza plateau, to be a single stone edifice on that vast plateau (The Great Pyramid). However, Khufu's grandson Khafre, not to be outdone by his illustrious grandfather, built a pyramid immediately adjacent to, and nearly as high, as the one built by Khufu. Khafre's son Menkaure then built the third pyramid at Giza, though much smaller in scale, essentially ending the pyramid era (many lesser pyramids were built thereafter).

The Great Pyramid sat relatively undisturbed for 3 1/2 millenia, to circa 800 A.D., when the then expanding Moslem culture sent Al Mamoun to Egypt to attempt to break into the Great Pyramid to discover its secrets.

After examining the exterior smoothly-polished limestone casing, and not finding any evidence of an entrance, Al Mamoun determined to force his way into the Great Pyramid, and started tunneling/chiseling into the limestone on the north side, by happy coincidence only some several score feet away from (lower than) the actual concealed entrance (both of which are now utilizable).

After tunneling for many score meters inwards, and encountering only more solid rock block after another, the tunnelers were reportedly nearing frustration when they heard a "thunk" deeper inside the pyramid. They tunneled in that direction, and came upon the inner passageways. The "thunk" they had heard was a stone block which had concealed the upper ascending passage and fallen loosed due to the pounding of the chiseling, so that should anyone have discovered the descending passageway from the exterior, they would have descended and missed the concealed ascending passage system. Thus, the Great Pyramid was initially entered. Finding the ascending passage also blocked by three granite blocks wedged into the tunnel, they chiseled around them through the softer limestone, and came upon the 'Grand Gallery'. Moving upwards, they then came upon the "King's Chamber", where they found an empty sarcophagus too large to fit through the passageways, and obviously placed there during the course of construction. No body or mummy was reported as having been found, and no treasure. However, the Great Pyramid was now accesible for investigation.
 
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The Visitor is also correct that the Great Pyramid evidences a highly developed civilization, one which appears to have mastered mathematical concepts subsequently lost and not re-discovered until millenia later by Erastostenes (sp?) of Greece.

Some of the mathematics encoded in the Great Pyramid, but not found in any other, follow:

The slope of the sides of the Great Pyramid is unique. It is such that the circumference of the base, if used as the circumference of a circle, gives a circle of radius equal to the height of the Great Pyramid. There is only one slope which gives that relationship, namely 51 degrees 51 minutes 14.3... seconds (51-51-14.3). Khufu's grandson, Khafre, made his pyramid with a slightly steeper slope at 52 degrees.

It is also reported that one side of the base is equal to 365.2 X 25 inches (the "scientific cubit" is defined as 25"), though I have not yet confirmed this. This gives a completed height to the Great Pyramid of 484.9 feet, though the capstone(s) are since removed. However, the number 365.2 shows up in at least four other locations in the pyramid.

The "Kings Chamber" has dimensions of 20.0 Royal Cubits (about 512.1 inches) Length by 10.0 Royal Cubits Width by 5.00 radical 5 Royal Cubits Height, with the End Diagonal of 15.0 Royal Cubits and the Cubic Diagnonal (far corner to far corner) of 25.0 Royal Cubits. The Width is also equal to 365.2/radical Pi inches. The Length is noted in a relationship below.

The ascending and descending passageways are of almost equal slope, and my best reference gives that as 26-18-9.63 My two other references give it as 26-18-9.7 and 26-16-56.5, which slight discrepancies does not affect the calculations below.

Using that slope to ascend or descend, if one measures out a distance equal to 40.0 Royal Cubits (twice the length of the "Kings Chamber"), one has ascended or descended a distance of 365.2 inches.

While one might conclude that such is merely a happy coincidence, the number 365.2 shows up in at least three other places inside the Great Pyramid, in addition to the exterior relationship.

At the very end of the Grand Gallery, before entering the Kings Chamber, is an antechamber. The length of the antechamber is the diameter of a circle with circumference of 365.2 inches.

The distance from the far edge of the Kings Chamber to the center of the Ante Chamber is 365.2 inches.

The Width of the Kings Chamber, when the length of the Sarcophagus is subtracted out, gives the diameter of a circle of 365.2 inches.

Thus, it appears that the Egyptians of the Pyramid era were able to calculate the days of the year quite accurately, and give that relationship exensively in its interior dimensions.

One final 'mystery', which appears to show that that civilization knew the dimensions of Earth, is that the inch (the American inch, as in 12" = 1 foot) is the apparent basic scientific unit of measurement, predating the scientific meter by several millenia.

Apparently, not satisfied with the "Royal Cubit", the Egyptians developed the "Scientific Cubit" which they defined to be the Polar Radius of Earth (not equatorial radius, which varies) divided by 10,000,000. This compares to the Meter developed in France circa 1790 AD some 4 1/2 millenia later, which was originally defined as the circumference of the Earth from the Equator to the Pole, divided by 10,000,000.

To give the smaller unit, the Egyptians divided the Scientific Cubit into 25 smaller units, which I have called the Scientific Inch (none of this is written down in the Egyptian language, and what they actually called the unit is not known), which is almost the same as the inch in use today (the Scientific Inch, using the actual dimensions of the earth, is 1.00106 American Inches). It is believed that that original inch, taken into England in ancient times, became the basis for our existing inch, which was then made into a base-twelve system, or 12" = 1 foot, rather than the Egyptian system, where 25" = 1 Scientific Cubit.

Anyway, it appears that Egypt suffered a dramatic loss of knowledge shortly after construction of the Great Pyramid, as none of this mathematics shows up thereafter, and Khafre's pyramid is a pale imitation of the Great Pyramid.

Because of these measurements, many groups over the past two centuries have attempted to equate the above with "prophecy", including "Christian prophecy". The bare mathematics, however, speaks quite eloquently for itself.

Others who posted earlier quite correctly indicated that the pyramids were constructed with rollers and teams of men to move the stone blocks. Indeed, the Kings Chamber regions above ("relieving chambers" to take up the external pressures) still show some of the quarry markings indicating which 'gang' hauled the stones. Apparently they were well rewarded with beer and good food, and likely had many competitions to see who could work the fastest. Nothing in its construction indicates a civilization beyond that of the stone/copper age, though it was a fantastic feat of workmanship, designed to evidence the first great civilization and its level of accomplishment.

Anyway, I thought some of you might find this of interest.

Regards,


Walter L. Wagner (Dr.)
 
Anyway, it appears that Egypt suffered a dramatic loss of knowledge shortly after construction of the Great Pyramid
Thats one way of trying to explain it.
I don't buy it, you shouldn't either.
Your dealing with scientist's with atheist agendas and competeing religions that claim holy sites for their own to defile and destroy the memory of the original meaning.
History is re-written by the victors.
Eqypt wasn't "the worlds first great culture".


The monument was left to symbolize this....
Notice in building the pyramid... take a dollar bill.
If you notice on the back of your dollar bill, why have they got the pyramid and the saying "The Great Seal?"
Notice on that pyramid also, how it starts at the bottom and keeps coming up, but the capstone's not even on it.
Neither is the pyramid capped. Why?
The capstone was rejected, Jesus Christ, the Head of it.
He was the beginning of the very creation of God.
The Head is whats come back in this day to unite with the body.

Thats what it was a monument to, like Abel who saw the coming sacrifice to be made for mankind and slew a lamb to symbolize it.
Enoch left this as a symbol, as a monument to the great plan of redemption that will create a kingdom that will stand for eternity.

It was not some Pharaoh's legacy.
 
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The "purpose" of the Great Pyramid is not readily apparent. The Al Mamoun report was that no mummy or body was found inside, nor treasure, and hence it was not a tomb like the prior and subsequent pyramids. Clearly, it had not been broken into prior to Al Mamoun's extensive efforts at tunneling into it, which tunnel is still the chief means of entrance, rather than the actual descending passage entrance (now exposed).

Likewise, the unfinished underground chamber, and subsequent "queens" chamber, suggest that there were numerous design changes during the course of contstruction. The 'meaning' of the passages, Grand Gallery, "Queens Chamber", etc. are not now known, and possibly never will be known again. The Scientific Inch shows itself in numerous other areas of the Great Pyramid not mentioned above, as well as the Scientific Cubit, but that is too involved for this brief treatise.

Recent explorations with mini-robots of the 'air-ventilation' shafts, which do not penetrate to the outside, yet travel extensive distances upwards through the masonry (constructed as each subsequent layer of the pyramid was added), have yet to elucidate their 'purpose' as well (though it is suggested that they 'aimed' at certain constellations of import).

However, it appears well documented that it was built by the same types of work-crews that built the earlier pyramids, and likely not with slave labor, but rather 'paid' labor from the coffers of the reigning Pharaoh. ('pay' might have been in the form of grain, or beer, etc., rather than coins, which were likely not yet in usage). The actual design plans, likely on Papyrus scrolls, are lost in history, and no written records exist concerning its construction.

It also appears to be highly symbolic. And, of course, Egyptian culture had highly evolved beliefs of the future (i.e. the several millenia to follow), and they developed mummification of bodies in support of those beliefs.

It appears surprising that the Great Pyramid does not appear to have been used as a tomb, whereas other pyramids were. Unless, of course, there are still other hidden chambers not yet detected, which is plausible considering how well hidden the actual descending passage was from the outside. Thus far, such searches have not found hidden chambers, though it would appear that such searches have been woefully inadequate, considering the sheer size of the Great Pyramid.

As to whether the "cap stone" was 'rejected' by the builders, as the Christian Prophecy literature reads, or whether it was actually placed, and then removed when the Great Pyramid was stripped of almost all of its outer casing stones, is also information that is lost in the annals of history. I have seen no evidence to support such claim, other than the fact that the 'top' of the pyramid is now flat and without casing stones. Unfortunately, the strippers of the Great Pyramid left no written records of their misdeeds to indicate how it looked before they began stripping it.

Immediately adjacent to the Great Pyramid it is reported that there are 'trial passages' that were carved into the rock, of the same slope as the internal passages, though shortened. Also, a Nile boat was found buried (disassembled) that was of the type that would have brought a mummy along the nile to the Giza plateau. Fragments of the causeway from the Nile to the Great Pyramid remain, which would have been the course of the stone blocks as they were floated down the nile to their construction site.

So, who wants to go to Egypt for further investigations?
 
It's most likely that craters on Earth form in the same way as craters we see on other planets. Any crater under the ice in Antarctica would have formed at least 450,000 years ago, since ice forms seasonal layers. There were no nuclear weapons then.
 
5,000 years ago the North and South poles were 33 degrees closer to the tropic zones than they are today.
There wasn't a single snow flake let alone 445,000 years of layered ice.
They did just find a woolly mammoth, with sub-tropical fern leaves still in its mouth unchewed from its freezing so fast.

This world was knocked 33 degrees of its axis in the blink of an eye.
Magnetic readings can prove the poles have changed.

No nuclear weapons......
Go outside and look up in the daytime.
What do you think that big bright ball in the sky is.
A fabricated, created, perfectly balanced nuclear energy source.
It didn't just congeal from space particles and proto-mater.
It was put there, and that knowledge has been around for a long time.
 
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Bull the poles were once in subtropic regions but not in the last few million years. And of course the poles have changed, they have changed hundreds of times over the course of the earths history.
Another statement of stupdity. Our sun wasnt put there it formed from condensed Gas. And by known you mean by the same people who thought the earth was flat and that it was the center of the universe? Please.
 
"This world was knocked 33 degrees of its axis in the blink of an eye.
Magnetic readings can prove the poles have changed."

Yes the poles change. They change over time and have changed throughout history. However, this in no way means that the earth physically moved, just that the MAGNETIC poles changed.

P.S. Get help
 
Visitor
So a three hundred megaton nuke would make a three hundred mile crater, right?
Visitor
No nuclear weapons......

Make your mind up. Or is changing your argument every five minutes an effort to sustain your ridiculous ideas?
 
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
What do you think that big bright ball in the sky is.
A fabricated, created, perfectly balanced nuclear energy source.
It didn't just congeal from space particles and proto-mater.
It was put there, and that knowledge has been around for a long time.


Would you choose your stance already? :bugeye:
 
spiritual_spy said:
Another statement of stupdity.... "Our sun wasnt put there, it formed from condensed Gas"
I couldn't have said it better myself.

spiritual_spy said:
And by known you mean by the same people who thought the earth was flat and that it was the center of the universe.
The Bible always said the Earth was round, just your political organizations of men, at one time called the Catholic church, told you the world was flat.
They were never a move of God , but a false world power created by men.
The Beast that crucified Christ, and martyred 68 million true Christians for standing for the Bible in the dark ages.
The same world power today exists by a different name.

Thats the same group of men that are telling you the sun just formed from gas and we just evolved from monkeys.
They play both sides.
The idea is to lead you away from the truth in the Bible.
Here read this.

ISAIAH 40:22-25
[It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.
To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.

Looks to me like the Bible never said the Earth was flat......
Just the same bunch telling you false theories today, don't think for a moment your scientific community is free from it.
Where does the funding come from?
And who cuts it off if they theorize something outside "the box"?
Yesterday's governments are the same as todays governments.

Your still living on a flat Earth if you buy into what they are telling you.
There are hiding the Earth's true history.....
Because they are still part of the rebellion that caused it's destruction.
 
Thats the same group of men that are telling you the sun just formed from gas and we just evolved from monkeys.
And thats the truth so whats your point?
The Beast that crucified Christ, and martyred 68 million true Christians for standing for the Bible in the dark ages.

please show me were someone was martyred? The only people who suffered persecution during the dark ages were witches and jews. Mainly becuase a certian group was in power........**cough** Christians **cough**
 
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