Describing Homosexuality

[Bishadi]

is it best addressed within psychology?

Stein says that even though none of the currently articulated psychological theories seem true, still psychology is "the right place to look for a theory to explain sexual orientation."

http://epistle.us/hbarticles/borngay2.html

or via biology?

If biology is the answer, then it would seem the genetic markers could be identified and we could all share in knowing before birth, who is "born gay" and who is not?!?

Then not only will the ratios as well the programs can be developed to assist, them few with comprehending the 'differences'

Either way, it seems psychology will be included to assist the few, directly.

What is the best method of describing this issue, without any political distinctions involved but in a compassionate, actually caring, frame of observance?


just thinking about the next generations:

The researchers concluded that sexual orientation "is likely to be established quite early in life and that childhood and adolescent sexual expression by and large reflect rather than determine a person's underlying sexual [orientation].

 

[Dywyddyr]

What is the best method of describing this issue, without any political distinctions involved but in a compassionate, actually caring, frame of observance?

No politics?
But:

Then not only will the ratios as well the programs can be developed to assist, them few with comprehending the 'differences'
Either way, it seems psychology will be included to assist the few, directly.

Isn't wanting to "assist" a political issue?
I wonder whether bigotry is genetic or psychological?

 

[Bishadi]

No politics?

who needs politics to comprehend right and wrong?

perhaps idiots like you; such that unless the politics or people of YOUR group accepts a relative account; you will not use common sense to comprehend what is true and false.

Isn't wanting to "assist" a political issue?

it's called 'compassion'

the difference is; to you 'giving' means you get something in return.

to a human being; assisting, giving, contributing, is a part of human compassion. Almost like 'being responsible for your actions' in which a human being is more concerned with the integrity of what they do, over the needs of being accepted within a regime of self centered ideologies (the politics of)

I wonder whether bigotry is genetic or psychological?

think of selfish bigots as gays who think the world must change for their needs


or if gaydom is genetic; then pedophiles are genetic too

you deal with your own issues


this thread shared some 'credible' information

Stein says that even though none of the currently articulated psychological theories seem true, still psychology is "the right place to look for a theory to explain sexual orientation."

 

[Michael]

Bishadi,

Animals (including people) are BORN with a sexual orientation. It's hard-wired into the brain. This can be measured with an fMRI.

It's biological. And if you stop and think about it, you know that psychology is based on real live physical stuff - the brain. CNS. Real atoms. Real DNA.

So, it's biological. You do not need to teach a child to feel attraction. They innately do.
Michael

 

[Bishadi]

Bishadi,

Animals (including people) are BORN with a sexual orientation.

I agree; that be the genetics of it

It's hard-wired into the brain. This can be measured with an fMRI.

If that is the case then you should run an experiment;

then at birth without looking at the gentilia; a newborns orientation should be observable within the brain, via that MRI

SO then we should be able to tell any parent; your kid is hetero/bi/homo; before the kid/parents leave the hospital

It's biological. And if you stop and think about it, you know that psychology is based on real live physical stuff - the brain. CNS. Real atoms. Real DNA.

Psychology is not physically based like medicine. Read a bit on freud; (he says its all Mom's fault; from what is learned/experienced)

So, it's biological.

to a hemorphadite; i can see your case..... the body is different from the 2 isolated poles of male/female gender (physiologically..... different)

You do not need to teach a child to feel attraction. They innately do.
Michael

i saw the "blue lagoon" too!

most every human being on earth has felt Love for another, even of the same gender but there is nothing anyone can tell me or God itself; that it is genetic to want a winkie in the behind.

the 'act' of sex, is instinctive

the choices of what your "act" actually does; is not

 

[Dywyddyr]

who needs politics to comprehend right and wrong?

That's what politics is about: what to do and why.

perhaps idiots like you; such that unless the politics or people of YOUR group accepts a relative account; you will not use common sense to comprehend what is true and false.

it's called 'compassion'

Utter shite.

the difference is; to you 'giving' means you get something in return.

You keep missing the point.
What "assistance" is required?
And why?

to a human being; assisting, giving, contributing, is a part of human compassion. Almost like 'being responsible for your actions' in which a human being is more concerned with the integrity of what they do, over the needs of being accepted within a regime of self centered ideologies (the politics of)

Do you intend to "assist" left-handed people as well?

this thread shared some 'credible' information
Stein says that even though none of the currently articulated psychological theories seem true, still psychology is "the right place to look for a theory to explain sexual orientation."

Yep: one man's opinion.
And it also states: "none of the currently articulated psychological theories seem true".

 

[Bishadi]

That's what politics is about: what to do and why.

because you want others to tell you what to do.

no personal responsibility (and it shows)

Yep: one man's opinion.
And it also states: "none of the currently articulated psychological theories seem true".

got to LOVE an objective mind of science............ i give him cudos for that!


at least HE is aware that what is currently being used is imperfect


just as having compassion for others is so unique to you

These thread share, you are not only abusing 'we the people' with your bigotted approach but show no personal responsibility for the truth, for others and definitely not for the GOOD of knowledge (the evolving progression)

Stern was pointing out his opinion. I agree with how he has approached the issue per the article of the thread.

all you doing it ranting against me; but not a thing on any thread do you add or contribute for others to comprehend

you are a forum troll!

 

[Dywyddyr]

because you want others to tell you what to do.

Nope I don't.
You're the one telling others how they should live.

no personal responsibility

False assumption on your part.

These thread share, you are not only abusing 'we the people' with your bigotted approach but show no personal responsibility for the truth, for others and definitely not for the GOOD of knowledge (the evolving progression)

Wrong and wrong.

all you doing it ranting against me; but not a thing on any thread do you add or contribute for others to comprehend

Also wrong.

you are a forum troll!

But at least I don't lie.

 

[Bishadi]

Nope I don't.
You're the one telling others how they should live.

i don't tell gays not to be gay; ever! (you just an ass u sume too much)

i just don't fib and tell children it is normal!

normal is procreating for life; just like nature shares

you take a few unique examples and think that is what normal is; when the reality (fact) of the matter is;

more people are born with a cleft palate, than gay and the globe (everyone else) is not cutting up their lips just to make them feel good!


you the bigot and i care (you and i, are completely different in and of INTENT)

 

[Dywyddyr]

i don't tell gays not to be gay; ever! (you just an ass u sume too much)

No, you just want to "assist" them.

normal is procreating for life; just like nature shares

So are you intending to "assist" everyone, childless couples, couples who decide they don't want children?
Should everyone have children?
How often?
Starting at what age?

more people are born with a cleft palate, than gay and the globe (everyone else) is not cutting up their lips just to make them feel good!

Strawman again.

 

[Bishadi]

No, you just want to "assist" them.

compassion is foreign to you isn't it?

it has to do with 'CARING" for others...... (perhaps look both of them words to/in C-section of your dictionary)

So are you intending to "assist" everyone, childless couples, couples who decide they don't want children?

nope! If some don't want to have babies, OTay.....

but lying to others (the majority) of mankind; just so your politics can tell them what to believe IS FOR MORONS!

Should everyone have children?

God i hope you don't!

How often?

go to china, their politics tell their populous them types of thinks; Is that what you want; having your leaders tell you what you are to do?

Starting at what age?

again; i like human beings to be able to think for themselves.

i see that concept is foreign to you as well


I posted

more people are born with a cleft palate, than gay and the globe (everyone else) is not cutting up their lips just to make them feel good!

and you claim

Strawman again.

apparently you don't know what that word means either

 

[cosmictraveler]

Mac had been in police work for 25 years. Finally sick of the stress, he quits his job and buys 50 acres of land in Alaska as far from humanity as possible.

He sees the postman once a week and gets groceries once a month. Otherwise it's total peace and quiet.

After six months or so of almost total isolation, someone knocks on his door. He opens it and a huge, bearded man is standing there.

'Name's Cliff, your neighbor from forty miles up the road. Having a Christmas party Friday night. Thought you might like to come at about 5:00'

'Great', says Mac, 'after six months out here I'm ready to meet some local folks. Thank you.'

As Cliff is leaving, he stops. 'Gotta warn you. Be some drinking.'

'Not a problem' says Mac. 'After 25 years in the business, I can drink with the best of 'em'.

Again, the big man starts to leave and stops. 'More 'n' likely gonna be some fighting too.'

'Well, I get along with people, I'll be all right! I'll be there. Thanks again.'

'More'n likely be some wild sex, too,'

'Now that's really not a problem' says Mac, warming to the idea. 'I've been all alone for six months! I'll definitely be there. By the way, what should I wear?'

'Don't much matter. Just gonna be the two of us.'

 

[Dywyddyr]

compassion is foreign to you isn't it?

Nope.

it has to do with 'CARING" for others...... (perhaps look both of them words to/in C-section of your dictionary)

So how are you going to "assist" homosexuals?

nope! If some don't want to have babies, OTay.....

So what does it matter if someone is homosexual or not then?

but lying to others (the majority) of mankind; just so your politics can tell them what to believe IS FOR MORONS!

So you're a moron for lying?

i see that concept is foreign to you as well

Wring again.
Getting used to it by now?

I posted
more people are born with a cleft palate, than gay and the globe (everyone else) is not cutting up their lips just to make them feel good!
and you claim

It IS a strawman.

apparently you don't know what that word means either

"Either"?
You mean you don't?
Although the number of times you set up a strawman you seem to have the concept down pat, if not the definition.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

Bishadi,

Animals (including people) are BORN with a sexual orientation. It's hard-wired into the brain. This can be measured with an fMRI.

It's biological. And if you stop and think about it, you know that psychology is based on real live physical stuff - the brain. CNS. Real atoms. Real DNA.

So, it's biological. You do not need to teach a child to feel attraction. They innately do.
Michael

I want to add a few minor changes to what was stated here. Genetically we're born with the capacity to be sexually attracted to both sexes. Environmental stimulus results in epigentic markers being turned on/off and sexual preference occurs as a result. Very often the markers for sexual attraction to a specific sex are alot easier to activate/deactivate and the result is often heterosexuality (and on occasion homosexuality). Of course sometimes the markers for sexual attraction to both sexes can be activated / decativated with ease and bi-sexuality results.

 

[Bishadi]

I want to add a few minor changes to what was stated here. Genetically we're born with the capacity to be sexually attracted to both sexes. Environmental stimulus results in epigentic markers being turned on/off and sexual preference occurs as a result. Very often the markers for sexual attraction to a specific sex are alot easier to activate/deactivate and the result is often heterosexuality (and on occasion homosexuality). Of course sometimes the markers for sexual attraction to both sexes can be activated / decativated with ease and bi-sexuality results.

a well thought-out answer...............

anyway; many of them markers, (looks, smells, contact; perhaps raw "chemistry") are important. Advertisers have used them in strategies, for years. Anyone can be practically programmed to what they like. i.e.... pants hanging half way down your butt, with your boxers showing, is hooooooooottt.... to some.

the things that people like and dislike are hilarious to say, the least not to mention in nature

there are some birds that are just idiots with dance, just to procreate

 

[Michael]

SO then we should be able to tell any parent; your kid is hetero/bi/homo; before the kid/parents leave the hospital

Yes, it is going to be possible (and in some cases maybe it is now possible) to use an fMRI and tell the parent - your child will be homosexual (a female brain-sex in a male body).

 

[Michael]

I want to add a few minor changes to what was stated here. Genetically we're born with the capacity to be sexually attracted to both sexes. Environmental stimulus results in epigentic markers being turned on/off and sexual preference occurs as a result. Very often the markers for sexual attraction to a specific sex are alot easier to activate/deactivate and the result is often heterosexuality (and on occasion homosexuality). Of course sometimes the markers for sexual attraction to both sexes can be activated / decativated with ease and bi-sexuality results.

Thanks for the interesting post. I'll post a couple fMRI brain scans later (adult scans), but, I just wanted to mention that the ability to modify the CNS diminishes greatly with development. As I understood, by birth, a child would be well past the point of altering sexual orientation. I suppose it depends on what area of the brain that is leading to the sexual orientation.

 

[Bishadi]

do you realize, if you can prove that; you could be a hero in san francisco?


then i would love to see the results in 25-30 yrs.....


meaning; since today, is today and that evidence does not exist (a child examined, diagnosed, then proven to be biased based on your (or any scientists) claim that a child (newborn) can be sexually diviant from the physical parts; they were born with and have the MRI evidence to prove it.


Remember for it to be pure; YOU, the TECH or any, can NOT know the sex before the diagnosis.

Then you can share which is normal (orientation with the correct parts) and the 'different'........

SO now you can go pursue your evidence!

but don't tell me, you can pick out a "different" based on an MRI, unless you have PURE data; not paid for crap by biased politics (ie.... OJ was found not guilty too)

you just set the stage for something that could be considered 'scientific'

 

[Crunchy Cat]

Thanks for the interesting post. I'll post a couple fMRI brain scans later (adult scans), but, I just wanted to mention that the ability to modify the CNS diminishes greatly with development. As I understood, by birth, a child would be well past the point of altering sexual orientation. I suppose it depends on what area of the brain that is leading to the sexual orientation.

Yep, that is correct. It does diminish with development; however, I do *recall* that epigentic marker changes can sway an individual's sexual orientation within the age range of 1-5. For most people, it's much easier to sway a specific way of course.

 

[Michael]

Bishadi,

Here some work from a year ago. But, much much more has been, and is being, done.

Symmetry Of Homosexual Brain Resembles That Of Opposite Sex


yeah, brain development leads to brains with sexual orientation (oh shock!).