Definition of God - one thread to rule them all

[paddoboy]

Even if true, how would any of that be contradictory? So you're only comeback is "uh-uh, you are!"

The uh uh, you are, actually applies to yourself, for many reasons. You are the one pushing totally unscientific myth on a science forum, albeit in a religious sub forum. The point is that it is still governed by the scientific methodology. Listen old friend, best thing to do is if you are unable to stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

What, exactly, that the Bible can't explain do you imagine is somehow hidden? Is it a big secret that the Bible has nothing about science? How silly.

You're pushing that book of ancient myth, not me. You seem offended that the fact that it is vague and open to a multitude of interpretations, matches your own questionable interpretations and claims. How silly of you.

Actually, those things most attributed to God predated science. So science is then science-of-the-gaps,

That's absolute crazy talk and you know it. Let me walk you through it. When man climbed down out of the trees [your descendants and mine] and started to reason and question the world around them and the universe, science was unknown...all around them was unexplained, and the origin of myth, gods etc, in rivers, in mountains, in the Sun and the stars, eclipses etc etc all with no evidence of course. When did science start? Not sure here, but perhaps with the ancient Greeks who were adapt at forming hypothesis based on observations, upon more observations, upon more observations and arriving at evidenced backed theories. Theories that were able to gradually remove the unsupported myth and replace it with far more likely evidenced supported natural occurrences and phenomena.
That of course thankfully is still occurring as science continues to progress.

 

[paddoboy]

But it's cute how you think God is the one filling the gaps it always inhabited.

So since myth was the beginning of attempts in explaining all around us, you claim it as concrete? How damn silly of you!
See my previous reply to your nonsense re a proper explanation with regards to the rise of science to over throw such myth.

Free will, the soul, the creation of the universe and life....all things science has come nowhere near explaining nor explaining away (scientism aside).

Obviously science has done pretty well and pushed any need for any myth into near oblivion...but hey! if you are able to squeeze your spaghetti monster into the .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds that science has yet to comfortable explain, then be my guest....but please as per the scientific methodology, evidence please.

 

[DaveC426913]

Actually, those things most attributed to God predated science.

They predated the Bible too.

 

[Vociferous]

Actually, those things most attributed to God predated science.

They predated the Bible too.

And you didn't say Bible-of-the-gaps. Way to ignore the actual point.

 

[DaveC426913]

And you didn't say Bible-of-the-gaps. Way to ignore the actual point.

I think you've lost the point. Bible of the gaps could be the same as God of the gaps. What diff?


The gaps in science are getting smaller and smaller.
If the Bible/God is attempting to fill in those gaps, it's losing.

 

[Vociferous]

The uh uh, you are, actually applies to yourself, for many reasons. You are the one pushing totally unscientific myth on a science forum, albeit in a religious sub forum. The point is that it is still governed by the scientific methodology. Listen old friend, best thing to do is if you are unable to stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

You still haven't managed to show anything contradictory. You do know what that word means, right?
You're the one who seems hot under the collar.

You're pushing that book of ancient myth, not me. You seem offended that the fact that it is vague and open to a multitude of interpretations, matches your own questionable interpretations and claims. How silly of you.

I'm not pushing anything, much less the scripture of a religion I don't even espouse. I'm just saying what I believe. If that's too much for you, ignore me. I promise, it won't hurt my feelings at all.

That's absolute crazy talk and you know it. Let me walk you through it. When man climbed down out of the trees [your descendants and mine] and started to reason and question the world around them and the universe, science was unknown...all around them was unexplained, and the origin of myth, gods etc, in rivers, in mountains, in the Sun and the stars, eclipses etc etc all with no evidence of course. When did science start? Not sure here, but perhaps with the ancient Greeks who were adapt at forming hypothesis based on observations, upon more observations, upon more observations and arriving at evidenced backed theories. Theories that were able to gradually remove the unsupported myth and replace it with far more likely evidenced supported natural occurrences and phenomena.
That of course thankfully is still occurring as science continues to progress.

Keep telling yourself that.

So since myth was the beginning of attempts in explaining all around us, you claim it as concrete? How damn silly of you!
See my previous reply to your nonsense re a proper explanation with regards to the rise of science to over throw such myth.

Nope, not that it was merely first. That is was first and still not displaced.

Obviously science has done pretty well and pushed any need for any myth into near oblivion...but hey! if you are able to squeeze your spaghetti monster into the .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds that science has yet to comfortable explain, then be my guest....but please as per the scientific methodology, evidence please.

Only if you continue to ignore all the branches of knowledge and human experience not amenable to science. That's a lot you have to ignore to maintain your beliefs.

I think you've lost the point. Bible of the gaps could be the same as God of the gaps. What diff?

It should be obvious that God is not the Bible, nor vice versa. Don't really know how to help you if you can't differentiate that much for yourself.

The gaps in science are getting smaller and smaller.
If the Bible/God is attempting to fill in those gaps, it's losing.

Yes, smaller and smaller about things God and the Bible never have addressed. Those scientific gaps are not edging anything out, because they do not exist in the same domain to make it a zero sum game.

 

[DaveC426913]

It should be obvious that God is not the Bible, nor vice versa. Don't really know how to help you if you can't differentiate that much for yourself.

It is obvious to me and anyone rational. God is an unfalsifiable construct; the Bible was written by humans.

Though a lot of believers don't see it that way.

How does that help your argument though? It's a red herring.

 

[Vociferous]

It is obvious to me and anyone rational. God is an unfalsifiable construct; the Bible was written by humans.

Though a lot of believers don't see it that way.

How does that help your argument though? It's a red herring.

Nice to see you can admit your ignorance.

The rest of my post, which you conveniently ignored, answers how it helps my argument. I hope you're only playing dumb.

 

[dumbest man on earth]

Good work dmoe and nice to see you still active! The adhoms, subtle and otherwise, has been well practised by at least three crusaders on this forum of late, namely Jan, Seti and this Vociferous character, that likes to wear his questionable "qualities"as a badge of honour.

There is one Member on this Forum that has used Ad-Hominem attacks in way too many of their almost 25,ooo posts since August 13, 2013.

 

[DaveC426913]

The rest of my post, which you conveniently ignored,

...was addressed to someone else.

Anyway, the ol' "if you don't know, I won't tell you" is a trollish answer.
You haven't changed.
I'll leave you to it.

 

[paddoboy]

You still haven't managed to show anything contradictory. You do know what that word means, right?
You're the one who seems hot under the collar.

I'm as cool as a cucumber matey, but let me *shock horror* quote from your bible, "there is none so blind who have eyes but refuse to see" Sad to see such mythical nonsense, have such a hold on you. [still feeling cool ]

I'm not pushing anything, much less the scripture of a religion I don't even espouse. I'm just saying what I believe. If that's too much for you, ignore me. I promise, it won't hurt my feelings at all.

I'm not out to hurt your feelings, simply to point out the mythical nature of your beliefs, and your irrational fear of the finality of death.

Keep telling yourself that.

Í don't need to tell myself that...it's pretty well history more or less. I'm telling you as you appear to be ignorant of that history.

Nope, not that it was merely first. That is was first and still not displaced.

First certainly...still not displaced? You are delusional and/or a liar. Please add that to your other questionable qualities.

Only if you continue to ignore all the branches of knowledge and human experience not amenable to science. That's a lot you have to ignore to maintain your beliefs.

Science explains and models the theories and facts such as the evolution of life and the evolution of the universe around us....It does that pretty well without any need for mythical fear based delusions such as yours. The other human qualities comes with technological advancements, experience and learning.

It should be obvious that God is not the Bible, nor vice versa. Don't really know how to help you if you can't differentiate that much for yourself.

They both have one thing in common. Based on myth and fear.

Yes, smaller and smaller about things God and the Bible never have addressed. Those scientific gaps are not edging anything out, because they do not exist in the same domain to make it a zero sum game.

God and the bible are fabricated and interpreted to give gullible folk such as yourself, some "meaning"and to avoid that irrational fear that you have of the finality of death.
Science progresses and attempts to dispel such irrationality and mythical beliefs.

 

[paddoboy]

There is one Member on this Forum that has used Ad-Hominem attacks in way too many of their almost 25,ooo posts since August 13, 2013.

And there is another member who has been shown to be a troll with his 3133 posts.

My apologies dmoe, I am way too lazy to check on your starting date, and of course you are way too unimportant to even have that noted.

 

[dumbest man on earth]

I am way too lazy

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[Vociferous]

...was addressed to someone else.

No, it wasn't: http://sciforums.com/threads/defini...-to-rule-them-all.163061/page-20#post-3639050

The gaps in science are getting smaller and smaller.
If the Bible/God is attempting to fill in those gaps, it's losing.

Yes, smaller and smaller about things God and the Bible never have addressed. Those scientific gaps are not edging anything out, because they do not exist in the same domain to make it a zero sum game.

Maybe you weren't playing dumb after all.

Anyway, the ol' "if you don't know, I won't tell you" is a trollish answer.
You haven't changed.
I'll leave you to it.

Since I never said anything to that effect to you, looks like you're just making bs excuses to beg off. If the above is any indication of your awareness of the posts you deign to respond to, good riddance.

 

[paddoboy]

Maybe you weren't playing dumb after all.

You're not playing dumb either...a more natural occurrence shall we say?? Is that another adhom?

Since I never said anything to that effect to you, looks like you're just making bs excuses to beg off. If the above is any indication of your awareness of the posts you deign to respond to, good riddance.

Firstly Dave along with a few others, are just tired of playing games with you crusading evangelists and your efforts to please your overlords. It's so boring, countering the bullshit mythical nonsense you and a couple of others chose to spout, with legitimate science and what great bounds it has made explaining the universe around us. Quite the opposite of what creationists and IDers are trying to do.
Secondly, you actually have nothing to really counter...faith based belief, based on myth? claims without evidence? pretentious nonsense and counter arguments based on those myths? Actually, the substance of your posts are near the level of another calling himself "kavik kang" and the two threads he has infested this forum with. Perhaps you may improve your lot by preaching to him....best of British!!

 

[Vociferous]

You're not playing dumb either...a more natural occurrence shall we say?? Is that another adhom?

No, it's just an observation of the obvious fact that DaveC missed/ignored what was clearly addressed to him and erroneously used that to do a victory lap.

Firstly Dave along with a few others, are just tired of playing games with you crusading evangelists and your efforts to please your overlords. It's so boring, countering the bullshit mythical nonsense you and a couple of others chose to spout, with legitimate science and what great bounds it has made explaining the universe around us. Quite the opposite of what creationists and IDers are trying to do.
Secondly, you actually have nothing to really counter...faith based belief, based on myth? claims without evidence? pretentious nonsense and counter arguments based on those myths? Actually, the substance of your posts are near the level of another calling himself "kavik kang" and the two threads he has infested this forum with. Perhaps you may improve your lot by preaching to him....best of British!!

There is no legitimate science outside of the domain that the scientific method can address. Pretending there is is the faith of scientism. And yes, that pretentious nonsense is boring. Again, why the beliefs of other should get you so riled up is beyond me. Abiogenesis is no more than a myth and claim without evidence, yet you believe it. Look in a mirror. You're projecting. You just lack the intellectual honesty to recognize it.

 

[paddoboy]

No, it's just an observation of the obvious fact that DaveC missed/ignored what was clearly addressed to him and erroneously used that to do a victory lap.

Obviously you are simply doing the usual god fearing thing that god fearers generally do...you know, lie? being obtuse etc?
The observation was obviously of yourself.

There is no legitimate science outside of the domain that the scientific method can address. Pretending there is is the faith of scientism. And yes, that pretentious nonsense is boring. Again, why the beliefs of other should get you so riled up is beyond me.

We all know what science and the scientific method addresses. we also know what creationists and IDers like to address, without evidence and based on fear and gullibility. That is what has riled you up, correct? yeah yeah Vociferous, another tit for tat....I picked that up from you months ago, and Jan to a lesser extent.

Abiogenesis is no more than a myth and claim without evidence, yet you believe it. Look in a mirror. You're projecting. You just lack the intellectual honesty to recognize it.

The usual creationist obfuscating and lies again. Let me again bring you up to speed, Abiogenesis is the only scientific answer, and as such is solid...the exact pathway and by method is still in question. You need to accept that fact and the fact that making noises so you can squeeze whatever deity you chose into that .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds is not substantial enough to have any credibility. The myth of god/s and/or creationists and ID, has been made superfluous at best...not needed, in other words to make it simpler for you.

 

[Vociferous]

No, it's just an observation of the obvious fact that DaveC missed/ignored what was clearly addressed to him and erroneously used that to do a victory lap.

Obviously you are simply doing the usual god fearing thing that god fearers generally do...you know, lie? being obtuse etc?
The observation was obviously of yourself.

LOL! So instead of looking for yourself, what is on the forum for anyone to see, you're just going to yell "lie" to quell your cognitive dissonance. Okay, seems important to you.

There is no legitimate science outside of the domain that the scientific method can address. Pretending there is is the faith of scientism. And yes, that pretentious nonsense is boring. Again, why the beliefs of other should get you so riled up is beyond me.

We all know what science and the scientific method addresses. we also know what creationists and IDers like to address, without evidence and based on fear and gullibility. That is what has riled you up, correct? yeah yeah Vociferous, another tit for tat....I picked that up from you months ago, and Jan to a lesser extent.

As usual, you completely fail to address anything actual said. Just your hyperbolic straw men.

The usual creationist obfuscating and lies again. Let me again bring you up to speed, Abiogenesis is the only scientific answer, and as such is solid...the exact pathway and by method is still in question. You need to accept that fact and the fact that making noises so you can squeeze whatever deity you chose into that .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds is not substantial enough to have any credibility. The myth of god/s and/or creationists and ID, has been made superfluous at best...not needed, in other words to make it simpler for you.

Demanding that only scientific answers can be true, ignoring many other branches of knowledge, is the blind faith of scientism. Just like fundamental religious people, since you have no argument against that, all you can do is repeat the baseless claims of your faith, ad nauseam.

 

[paddoboy]

Demanding that only scientific answers can be true, ignoring many other branches of knowledge, is the blind faith of scientism. Just like fundamental religious people, since you have no argument against that, all you can do is repeat the baseless claims of your faith, ad nauseam.

I'm not sure what area of knowledge you want to categorise ancient myths in. And no I don't ignore other genuine branches of knowledge despite your lies to the contrary. I've already given you a history lesson.

 

[Vociferous]

I'm not sure what area of knowledge you want to categorise ancient myths in. And no I don't ignore other genuine branches of knowledge despite your lies to the contrary. I've already given you a history lesson.

"genuine branches of knowledge"? Sounds like a no true Scotsman fallacy. No doubt, if it doesn't include scientific knowledge, you think it's not a "genuine" branch of knowledge. Which means your little admission to not ignoring them is a complete lie. Philosophy, ontology, epistemology, etc. all underlie and justify our scientific knowledge, and all of them thus cannot be addressed using scientific methodology. They are branches of pure reason and logic, and you denying any but scientific answers denies these as well.

Look, just own your blind faith already. Everyone sees it but you.