And if someone "rolls" thru an intersection and kills someone, then the people would be screaming to enforce the laws about stopping. The cop was in his rights to stop Moat.
Actually after doing a slight fact check on police procedure and local law there, The cop was within his rights to pull him over. However it is discouraged unless he observed the car doing so in an obviouslyneglagent way. The Police officers own words said Moats had been careful enough to make sure no other traffic was coming, thus he had practiced some due diligence. Since there was no cross traffic you argument is nothing but a straw man.
In such traffic stops, people aren't supposed to pile out of the car enmass as the Moat family did ...it's what criminals might do in order to kill the cop ...as has been done on numerous ocassions in numerous states. The cop might have feared for his life.
Actually, when stopped at traffic you have EVRY RIGHT under our constitution to pile out of your vehicle and even lock the doors. And in these cases the police are not allowed to search the car unless they have a warrant. The whole 'gangs pile out of cars to kill cops' fallacy was invented to circumvent this little act of enacting your rights. If cops were homest they would admit most of them were killed by an assailant who had stayed in their seat.
And? If he didn't want special treatment, he should have stood there and accepted the traffic ticket without any interference or bullshit ....and his family should have done the same.
They did not resist the ticket, they resisted unlawful detention. You are not required to be present during the issuance of a ticket. Moats also further explained he just wanted to be with his mother in law as she died and that he would come right back.
Cops aren't required to listen to any and all sob stories that people might come up with ...nor are they required to take the time to check out all those sob stories. Moat violated a law and the cop pullled him over for it.
Actually cops are required to check out all stories it is called investigation. Traffic tickets are already dangerously close to violating several amendments as they allow cop to be prosecutoer, judge and jury. If even the slightest doubt can be placed on the ticket then it is the cops fault for not getting the full story. If this had gone to court Moats would have been cleared of any wrongdoing and officer would have been severely reprimanded for his actions.
Yeah, cops should wait around and waste their time waiting for people like that.
He already had been wasting his time by following an obviously harmless vehicle. If he had been even slight intelligent he would have ran the plates, found out who it was and honestly probably would have just hightailed it out of there before the chief fired his ass.
20/20 hindsight and the pressure of stupid, ignorant public pressure. The captain and the chief are, first and foremost, politicians.
The Captain and chief are first and foremost the most experienced cops on the force, yes they are politicians, but any smart cop is part politician himself. He recognizes that at times the law can be bent without anyone needing to be punished. A smart cop would have followed Moats and once he pulled into the hospital just drove on by assuming there was a reason moats made a minor error. But no this idiot was sure he had drug dealing gang banfgers on his hands.
Moat ran the stop sign which is illegal. Moat also refused to stop in a reasonable time and distance. Moat's family piled out of the car as if in a semblance of possible attack on the cop.
The first is a misnomer. Moats had to have slowed down enough for the officer to state in his report that he waited untill there was obviously no traffic. The second, the vidoe is unclear, did the cop have the whole rack fired up? Finally the evidence does not support the last. it's obvious the peopel piled out as if to get insiode the hospital. And again most cops die becuase of assailant who stays in his seat.
What's your ideas? That anyone stopped by the cops can give a sob story and the cops should let them off? Or that the cops should take the time and effort to check out every sob story that people might give?
No but when somebody pulls into the hosptial thesob story might be given the benefit of the doubt. I mean come one it was obvious where they were heading. They weren;t even reckless in how they rolled through the stop according to the officers report. They were not the ones to make threats. I mean come on just admit the rookie made a collosal mistake.
What's funny, and odd, is that none of this would have happened if Moat had not violated the law. And, if he'd stopped at that stop sign, he'd have made it to the hospital in plenty of time to watch some old lady die ...as if that's what people like to do?!
Well he wasn;t sure how much time he had. Not like people come with a countdown. Considering that the news story has him rolling through a stop sign and the police report has him rolling through a stop light, after waiting to see if there was no cross traffic this might have been a delay of longer than the woman had left.
And I tell you what I regret not being in the room for my fathers death. He suffered a long hard battle with CHF and It just would have been nice to say goodbye. Some people are like that. It's not up to you to judge that.
Moat was wrong and should have suffered the consequences for that wrong-doing. Instead, a young officer is now going to be fired and likely his career in law enforcement is over ...and he was only trying to do his job. His career is probably ended because of public opinon ....and almost everyone here agrees that the public are stupid bastards. Yet, .....?
Actually considering how it was handled it is clear that the young officer would make a terrible officer and would like die in the line of duty or shoot some innoccent kid all to his own stupidity. He's lucky that now he's out with only a minor blackmark and he can become secuirity guard or perhaps a PI though usually both of those require discretion.
Besides if he was simply trying to do his job he would have handled it a lot better, by say perhaps rolling up as they were getting out the car and just mentioning to Moats "Hey you ran a red light, if this isnlt an emergency I need to alk to you.....Oh, mother in law is dying? I'll leave the ticket on the windshield." in this case Moats would have gotten his ticket, which is all he would have gotten, and he would have kept his job. But no this moron couldn't even manage that.
Got to love the fact his football stats are in the same article...only in America. What would he have done if he had made it to the deathbed in time....spike the bedpan?