Corona Virus 2019-nCoV

[Write4U]

I have heard that chlorine kills the virus and there is chlorine in salt water ,isn't there?

Not really. Sodium chloride is not chlorine.

Salt systems are actually chlorine generators, using a process called electrolysis. Electrolysis happens by sending electricity through salt water (sodium chloride, or NaCl), which interacts with the chloride ion in the salt. This creates chlorine in the water, and a very high-pH byproduct called sodium Hydroxide.Jul 21, 2016

Chlorine also kills people. Trick is to only kill the virus....

But in reality there is a much much better way that is being developed and that is to render the virus impotent, without killing it and creating immunity. The trick is to make the virus deaf and dumb, to prevent it from communicating with its brethern via "quorum sensing".

This has been proven effective against bacteria, but is now discovered to be also effective against viruses. Trick is how to deliver the false information to confuse the pathogen from becoming virulent.

 

[exchemist]

Can an outbreak of "hive mind" be far away.........?

 

[Saint]

Why biologist cannot come out with vaccine in the shortest time?
We have AI super computer, electron microscope, the virus is not invisible to us in lab, why can't we develop vaccine now?

 

[Write4U]

Why biologist cannot come out with vaccine in the shortest time?
We have AI super computer, electron microscope, the virus is not invisible to us in lab, why can't we develop vaccine now?

If a vaccine is designed to kill a virus which is using your cell to live, the process may also kill the cell and then the cure is as bad as the disease.

A perfect example is bee venom. It is a fantastic killer of cancerous cells. Unfortunately it also kills healthy cells. So they are developing a delivery system that only selects cancerous cells to deliver the bee venom. They use tiny little torpedoes that hone in specifically on cancerous cells by chemical signals. But that means introducing thousands of these little artificial torpedoes in your blood stream.

So the trick is to find a vaccine that only kills the virus without unwanted side-effects. This requires extensive testing. It's not finding a cure, it's about finding a safe cure that requires time.

When you see advertisements for medicines, they are always accompanied by warnings of possible side-effects in different individuals. Not everybody's chemistry is the same. Hence some people are allergic where others are not.

But that is where "learning" the language of bacterial "quorum sensing" is promising. It doesn't kill the bacteria it just confuses the bacterial response system and inhibits its virulence without producing immune strains. They just live in a non-virulent state until they die. And it does not affect the rest of the human biome at all.

 

[sculptor]

Can an outbreak of "hive mind" be far away.........?

in which direction?

 

[Write4U]

in which direction?

If you are talking about quorum sensing, or conversing with bacteria, we can also learn to talk to our symbiotic bacteria and perhaps stimulate them into doing their beneficial jobs better or more often. We already do this in a general sense when we eat yogurt and other probiotics, which either stimulate or supplement natural beneficial bacterial functions in our digestive system

It has been proposed that a lower number of some bacterial strains in the body may influence risk of certain disease conditions including obesity, type 2 diabetes, irritable bowel syndrome, and chronic inflammatory diseases such as Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, and rheumatoid arthritis.

Thus

A plant-based diet is associated with supporting a diverse and probably healthier gut microbiota more than a diet low in fruits and vegetables and high in meat, [5] and yogurt consumption may also help to increase microbiota diversity in the gut. [6] Learn more about the body’s microbiome.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/food-features/yogurt/

I find this possibility of chemical communication for inducing specific behaviors in bacteria or (maybe) viruses almost entering the realm of science fiction. This is getting into the nitty gritty of understanding and communicating with some very basic aspects of biology and biological systems.

 

[sculptor]

If you are talking about quorum sensing, or conversing with bacteria, we can also learn to talk to our symbyotic bacteria and perhaps stimulate them into doing their beneficial jobs better or more often. We already do this in a general sense when we eat yogurt and other probiotics, which either stimulate or supplement natural beneficial bacterial functions in our digestive system Thus
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/food-features/yogurt/

I find this possibility of chemical communication for inducing specific behaviors in bacteria or (maybe) viruses almost entering the realm of science fiction. This is getting into the nitty gritty of understanding and communicating with some very basic aspects of biology and biological systems.

Please add:

Do not underestimate the benefits of the bacterial biome on the surface of your skin as your front line defense.

 

[sculptor]

epimetheus
saliva seems to kill the aids virus
one wonders
how many other viruses can saliva kill?

 

[Write4U]

epimetheus
saliva seems to kill the aids virus
one wonders how many other viruses can saliva kill?

Phewww.....just actually read some info on this . No wonder that human genes only make up 1% of our total biome gene pool.

Saliva keeps the ecosystem of the mouth in balance. It contains its own bacterial enzymes that are beneficial to our health. An example of these are lysozomes. These antibacterial agents in saliva kill bacteria in our mouths and protect from potentially dangerous diseases.

The human mouth contains around 500 to 1,000 different types of bacteria with various functions as part of the human flora and oral microbiology. About 100 to 200 species may live in them at any given time.

Individuals that practice oral hygiene have 1,000 to 100,000 bacteria living on each tooth surface, while less clean mouths can have between 100 million and 1 billion bacteria on each tooth.[5] While some of the bacteria in our mouths are harmful and can cause serious illness, much of our oral bacteria are actually beneficial in preventing disease. Streptococci make up a large part of oral bacteria

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_ecology

And surprise, surprise!

Saliva Kills HIV-Infected Cells, Disables AIDS Virus. GALVESTON, TX -- Though millions of people around world are infected with the AIDS virus, there have been remarkably few reports of its spread by kissing, dental treatment, biting or coughing. Feb 10, 1999

https://www.newswise.com/articles/holy-spit-saliva-kills-hiv-infected-cells-disables-aids-virus

But unfortunately

3 days ago - Coronavirus can't go anywhere without a droplet of saliva or mucus. ... The flu virus can survive 48 hours on a hard surface. ... A disinfectant containing bleach, ethanol or hydrogen peroxide will kill coronaviruses on a surface.

COVID-19, a disease caused by coronavirus, spreads mostly from person-to-person contact through viral particles ejected through the mouth by coughing, sneezing, laughing, singing, talking or simply breathing. People within about 6 feet can be infected if these particles reach their mouth, nose or eye.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention considers this the primary way the virus has been spreading.

https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-detail?articleid=24686&publicId=395

Seems oral hygiene is highly recommended....

 

[billvon]

Why biologist cannot come out with vaccine in the shortest time?
We have AI super computer, electron microscope, the virus is not invisible to us in lab, why can't we develop vaccine now?

They have. But then they have to test it - and that takes a while.

 

[arfa brane]

I've been wondering about how a country that doesn't have a state-owned public health system can deal with a pandemic.

The answer seems to be, it isn't going to deal with it. It isn't because it can't; it's done what it can do to protect banks and corporations (the real America!). But the American public after all, are just the cannon-fodder for the war on economic parity America has waged since it became a country--only a handful of rich people are allowed; if you own a bank, the state will take care of you, it will prop you up with public funds taken from the people who have to work for a living.

That's why it's such a great country (for rich people).

 

[exchemist]

If this proves to be true it is pretty despicable behaviour by Trump's administration:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...s-for-exclusive-access-to-coronavirus-vaccine

But it would be entirely in character.

 

[Quantum Quack]

The is a great article in our national media today discussing the value of social isolation regarding infection rates.
Key take for me: Socially isolate not out of fear but out of love.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/this-sy...id-a-covid-19-public-health-crisis-here-s-how

But he fails to discuss how close couples, families or people living in apartment or room share etc can cope if they try to socially isolate.

any ideas welcome!

 

[river]

The is a great article in our national media today discussing the value of social isolation regarding infection rates.
Key take for me: Socially isolate not out of fear but out of love.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/this-sy...id-a-covid-19-public-health-crisis-here-s-how

But he fails to discuss how close couples, families or people living in apartment or room share etc can cope if they try to socially isolate.

any ideas welcome!

To your last statement ;

They simply have to find a way , simple as that .

 

[Quantum Quack]

To your last statement ;

They simply have to find a way , simple as that .

this is what I have posted to social media. I have a number of elderly USA, Brazilian, European friends and families listed. ( I am open to constructive suggestions of course)

Managing anxiety - COVID-19 For partners, couples etc.
This article ( below) is really worth the read IMO. It explains the real value of preventative social isolation not out of fear, but out of love.
In Information Technology (IT) the best method to protect against a computer virus is the use of an "air gap" and this is true for biological viruses as well.
Maintaining a distance so the virus can not infect.
Minimizing potential exposure time ( limit time spent close to someone), maintaining a safe distance (6 feet or more) with out unnecessary anxiety, all help to prevent or slow down infection.
If you live with someone or have a close partner then accept the reality that if one gets infected then most likely every one in the group will get infected and then relax and go on enjoying your closeness. The stress being placed on close couples and families and flat share etc. can be considerably worse than being infected.
Socially isolate if you can, or accept the potentials if you can't.​

 

[Quantum Quack]

If this proves to be true it is pretty despicable behaviour by Trump's administration:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...s-for-exclusive-access-to-coronavirus-vaccine

But it would be entirely in character.

If true, you are right... pathetic..

 

[river]

this is what I have posted to social media. I have a number of elderly USA, Brazilian, European friends and families listed. ( I am open to constructive suggestions of course)

Managing anxiety - COVID-19 For partners, couples etc.
This article ( below) is really worth the read IMO. It explains the real value of preventative social isolation not out of fear, but out of love.
In Information Technology (IT) the best method to protect against a computer virus is the use of an "air gap" and this is true for biological viruses as well.
Maintaining a distance so the virus can not infect.
Minimizing potential exposure time ( limit time spent close to someone), maintaining a safe distance (6 feet or more) with out unnecessary anxiety, all help to prevent or slow down infection.
If you live with someone or have a close partner then accept the reality that if one gets infected then most likely every one in the group will get infected and then relax and go on enjoying your closeness. The stress being placed on close couples and families and flat share etc. can be considerably worse than being infected.
Socially isolate if you can, or accept the potentials if you can't.​

Indeed .

Sometimes computers are a good thing . ( just not the basis of this Universe )

 

[Quantum Quack]

Regarding my earlier posts about social isolation:
I observed in the local food mall, a family (2 adults and 2 children) having a meal. They were all eating at separate tables maintaining a distance between them.. I though OMG imagine what they are doing at home....

 

[river]

Regarding my earlier posts about social isolation:
I observed in the local food mall, a family (2 adults and 2 children) having a meal. They were all eating at separate tables maintaining a distance between them.. I though OMG imagine what they are doing at home....

Tragic .

Since any cough and/or sneeze , by any of them , in the home , would cover the full area of the space in which they live in . In a very short time . And who know's how long this bug can exist on any object in the space . Door knobs , carpets , linin , clothes , furniture , counter tops etc.

 

[Quantum Quack]

Tragic .

Since any cough and/or sneeze , by any of them , in the home , would cover the full area of the space in which they live in . In a very short time . And who know's how long this bug can exist on any object in the space . Door knobs , furniture , counter tops etc .

I live with an Iranian asylum seeker (34yo), and have done so for about 2 years. I rent him a room in my apartment. I am in the high to very high risk category. I am a pensioner.
His family are currently well but in the epicenter of the Iranian outbreak.
So he is a very worried man.
He works and is expecting to loose his job soon due to the pandemic.
No employment means no rent.
My income is secured by the Government.
So about 3 days ago we had a sit down meeting to discuss all things related.
I had my tablet translator and he had his IPhone translator ( for the big words)

What we realized is that the chances of getting infected if one of us got infected were close to 100% and that it is impossible to prevent when sharing communal space ( lounge, kitchen, laundry, bathroom, toilet etc...)

So he is worried that I will force him to leave so that I can avoid infection from him ( IF) by self isolating in my own apartment.
I said that there is no way to tell who infected who so forget about that.
I can not afford to have him leave as it would mean I would have to surrender the apartment or get someone else.
It is a crisis situation and I suggested we may expect other people joining us seeking emergency shelter ( room for 2 more as a last resort) and as long as the landlord is satisfied we are in it together.

So,
It's a situation that we have to accept that we both will become infected at some point in time. We have to accept that as a high possibility and there is absolutely no point to walking on eggshells, disinfecting the apartment every time, one of us so much as blinks.
So, we started working out how to survive infection, looked at the stats etc and came to an agreement for a longer term solution.
The safest solution is to simply practice good hygiene at home, keep the anxiety levels down and relax at home ( sanctuary ) when at home. Take good care when out side and that's it...
Accept the reality and then relax and got on with it...
Now, 3 days later everything is cool, and much more relaxed at home.
btw the symptoms of anxiety are similar to this virus in many ways and can lead to vulnerability due to exhaustion alone... so reducing anxiety is very important.