Corona Virus 2019-nCoV

Xelasnave.1947 said:
The fear will do more damage than the virus. We managed millions of deaths in the two world wars. Consider the deaths each hour from starvation...mmm not a problem.

Alex
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Far more people died of malnutrition and poor sanitation than were killed by weapons, in either of those wars.

And the disease epidemic fostered by WWI - the "Spanish" (should have been "Kansas") flu - is famous for outkilling the three year combined military might of the planet in a few months of one of its three major waves (the second wave was the most lethal).
geordief said:
They must be feeling pretty good in their own circumstance right now as it seems they may have weathered the storm.
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If this epidemic, unlike most others of its category, features only one infection wave with one peak per country, then hallelujah.
That's not the way to bet.
 
iceaura said:
If this epidemic, unlike most others of its category, features only one infection wave with one peak per country, then hallelujah.
That's not the way to bet.
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Wasn't aware of that.Still good news that that first hurdle in China may be about to straddled. It seems they are able to send some medical hardware and doctors to Italy now ,apparently as the pressure eases on their side.

There is someone in the UK talking about the possibility of a "herd immunity" being achieved at some point (not aiming for it I understand but bringing up the concept)
 
geordief said:
Wasn't aware of that.Still good news that that first hurdle in China may be about to straddled. It seems they are able to send some medical hardware and doctors to Italy now ,apparently as the pressure eases on their side.

There is someone in the UK talking about the possibility of a "herd immunity" being achieved at some point (not aiming for it I understand but bringing up the concept)
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Contentious:
I do think that IF ( capital IF) it is confirmed that the virus originated in China due to unregulated and poor food handling ( negligence ) then the Chinese Government has some moral responsibility if anything, for what the rest of the world is having to endure...
This responsibility would involve offering in good faith, proper transparency, medical assistance, logistics support etc to the global community where they can.

It looks like that is exactly what they starting to do... and should in kind be accepted in good faith.
The Chinese Government really need to sort out their food handling practices if they wish to prevent another viral outbreak. ( which seem to be getting more common lately)
 
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Reporting anomaly?

When China had a similar number of confirmed cases to Italy the Chinese had a much lower mortality rate.

China 02-02-2020 : 14411 confirmed, 304 deaths, (2.10%) Sit Rep 13
Italy_ 13-02-2020 : 15113 confirmed, 1016 deaths, (6.72%) Sit Rep 53
 
What do you think?

Helpful or not?

A doctor who graduated with a master's degree and who worked in Shenzhen Hospital (Guangdong Province, China) sent the following notes on Coronavirus for guidance:
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasise enough - drink plenty of water!
THE SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
SPREAD THE WORD - PLEASE SHARE.

End of the message as I picked it up.

Alex
 
Good news??
The fight against the coronavirus epidemic, and other viral outbreaks, could be aided with new materials made from sugar.
An international research team has developed new materials that show significant promise in the fight against viral outbreaks. The material, made from sugar, shows significant promise as a ‘virucidal’ substance that could be used to limit the spread of viruses such as the current Wuhan coronavirus outbreak.
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It could also be used for the treatment of cold sores, respiratory syncytial virus, hepatitis C, HIV and the Zika virus.
Virucidal substances – such as bleach – typically destroy viruses on contact, but are extremely toxic to humans, meaning they can’t be applied to the body. Using sugar, however, it is possible to create a new type of antiviral drug that can destroy viruses with no damaging effects for humans.
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Current antiviral drugs work by inhibiting virus growth, but they are not always reliable as viruses can mutate and become resistant to these treatments.
Publishing its findings to Science Advances, the UK and Swiss team said it used modified sugar molecules – called cyclodextrins – to disrupt the outer shell of a virus, thereby destroying its infectious particles.
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https://www.siliconrepublic.com/innovation/antiviral-sugar-materials-coronavirus
 
Would it not be a good idea to make everyone wear a face mask when in public?
I mean the law dictates we wear clothes so why not face masks...you know you don't leave me he house without a mask and pants?
Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
What do you think?

Helpful or not?

A doctor who graduated with a master's degree and who worked in Shenzhen Hospital (Guangdong Province, China) sent the following notes on Coronavirus for guidance:
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasise enough - drink plenty of water!
THE SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
SPREAD THE WORD - PLEASE SHARE.

End of the message as I picked it up.

Alex
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I think you have been had. I've seen this before and do not believe for a moment that it comes from a doctor.

Point 3 is nonsensical. The human body is at 37C. No pathogen is killed by temperature lower than that of the body, obviously.

Point 7 is garbage - meaningless.

Point 9 is misleading rubbish. Gargling will not stop you getting this illness.

Point 4 of the symptoms makes no sense. There is no nasal congestion. You get a dry cough and fever.

Lastly, the invitation to "spread the word" looks to me like an unmistakable sign of some idiot trying to get a "meme" going for his own amusement.

I would suggest NOT spreading crap from unverifiable sources about this serious disease on the internet.
 
exchemist said:
Point 9 is misleading rubbish. Gargling will not stop you getting this illness.
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I agree that prevention is misleading and harmful misinformation, but

Might it wash out some of the virus from the general area(nose and throat)?**

In any case I always do that with a cold as it provides relief from symptoms (as does exercise ,I feel)

I have heard that chlorine kills the virus and there is chlorine in salt water ,isn't there?

Not being argumentative -I have posted this question elsewhere and got no reply yet.

**so it would need to be done hygienically
 
geordief said:
chlorine kills the virus and there is chlorine in salt water ,isn't there?
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Chlorine in a swimming pool might kill the virus in the pool. Maybe the virus wouldn't go too well in very salty water on its own, either. What this means is that you probably won't catch the virus by swimming in a chlorinated pool, for instance, though you might still catch it from somebody else who is swimming in the same pool.

I'm assuming you're not planning on having your mouth full of salt water every time you're within 10 metres of somebody else. And even if you are planning on that, it won't reduce your chances of contracting the virus to zero, because the virus can get into your body in other ways.
 
James R said:
Chlorine in a swimming pool might kill the virus in the pool. Maybe the virus wouldn't go too well in very salty water on its own, either. What this means is that you probably won't catch the virus by swimming in a chlorinated pool, for instance, though you might still catch it from somebody else who is swimming in the same pool.

I'm assuming you're not planning on having your mouth full of salt water every time you're within 10 metres of somebody else. And even if you are planning on that, it won't reduce your chances of contracting the virus to zero, because the virus can get into your body in other ways.
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I was wondering whether ,once you are infected then would gargling or snorting with salt water slow or alleviate the progression of the disease?

If ,as I have heard it washes out some of the virus from the nose and throat area would that have any clinical benefit over and above alleviation of symptoms.
 
geordief said:
I was wondering whether ,once you are infected then would gargling or snorting with salt water slow or alleviate the progression of the disease?

If ,as I have heard it washes out some of the virus from the nose and throat area would that have any clinical benefit over and above alleviation of symptoms.
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Once you're infected, the virus will multiply and spread throughout your body, I think. (Note: I am not a medical professional or a virologist or anything like that.) Then it's up to your immune system to deal with it. I don't see how gargling could help.
 
James R said:
Once you're infected, the virus will multiply and spread throughout your body, I think. (Note: I am not a medical professional or a virologist or anything like that.) Then it's up to your immune system to deal with it. I don't see how gargling could help.
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I wonder where it spreads to ..If it is just the nose and throat area (and not the lungs for most people) then maybe washing a percentage of it out regularly and bathing it to an extent in an unfriendly environment might improve the prognosis for an infected patient where it has not spread to the chest.

I think that this infection can cause damage to internal organs.I wonder if that is direct damage or is this indirect damage (ie does it spread any further physically than the nose/throat chest area?)
 
geordief said:
I agree that prevention is misleading and harmful misinformation, but

Might it wash out some of the virus from the general area(nose and throat)?**

In any case I always do that with a cold as it provides relief from symptoms (as does exercise ,I feel)

I have heard that chlorine kills the virus and there is chlorine in salt water ,isn't there?

Not being argumentative -I have posted this question elsewhere and got no reply yet.

**so it would need to be done hygienically
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No there is no chlorine in salt water. There is chloride, the anion from chlorine, but that is not nearly so chemically reactive, which is what gives chlorine its disinfectant properties.

Gargling might do something to ease symptoms of a sore throat in the pharynx, i.e. the very top of your throat, but from what I understand of covid -19 it takes hold lower down in your trachea, hence the dry cough.
 
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