Corona Virus 2019-nCoV

[Vociferous]

No, you've just been duped into panic by leftist media. There's a considerable scientific consensus that masks and social distancing, if observed, are effective protections, for the grocery store, polling places, or protest.

How convenient that you managed to overlook the part about people going to parties! It's almost as if you read with a filter to avoid seeing anything that intrudes on your news bubble. Good luck with that!

Parties are either no different from other public gatherings, in which case your whining is irrelevant, or different because people don't wear masks or do social distancing, in which case your whining is a straw man (because I've only been talking about places that follow such precautions). It's almost as if you read with a filter to avoid everything else in the reply to focus exclusively on a trifle. Try reasoning instead of whining that someone didn't address every widdle ting you mentioned. And I've already explained why filter bubbles only exist for leftists, like you.

I'm not the one worshiping a habitual liar and hanging on his every word.

Yet you seem much more apprised of things Trump has said. Worshiping or not, you seem to hang on his every word much more than I.



So let's all watch Paddoboy move his own goalposts. He vacuously cites science in his initial argument:

Nonsensical right wing propaganda. Masks and social distancing certainly help, but any large gathering will nullify that. Try science instead of your silly right wing, Trump the Chump inspired propaganda.

And then when challenged about his claim having any basis in science, he backpedals to "common sense"

There is no science saying large gatherings will nullify masks and social distancing. But go ahead, try to back up that illiterate nonsense.

While common sense dictates what I said to be factual, your own sheepish like illiterate statements, are simply more of the hanging on every word of Trump the Chump.

Considering you don't have the common sense to avoid citing science when you obviously can't back it up, I don't think we'll be trusting yours.

80,000 people at a stadium, even if all were wearing masks, is far far more risky and dangerous then the probable 40 or 50 people keeping social distancing in a store for example.

Well, considering polling places (the point you seem to have lost) typically have far fewer than 40 or 50 voting booths, your appeal to extremes is not only fallacious but also completely irrelevant.

While the intent of your post is nonsense it is worth considering that there is no science that says that large gatherings will not nullify the benefits of masks and social distancing...

The typical reasoning of a crackpot. Science can't demonstrate a negative.

 

[billvon]

Parties are either no different from other public gatherings

So you believe parties do not increase the risk of spreading COVID.

You might want to get a refund on your MD from Fox News University.

 

[Vociferous]

1000 Americans a day die because people go to the grocery store (and protests, and rallies, and parties.) That's pretty much the definition of "not safe."

And the CDC has been counting "deaths with Covid", not "deaths from Covid". How that compares to how other countries are counting deaths, I have no real idea.

 

[Vociferous]

So you believe parties do not increase the risk of spreading COVID.

I didn't say anything of the sort. You're either that ignorant or that cherry-picking, intellectually dishonest.
Which is more charitable? Ignorant or malicious?

 

[Quantum Quack]

The typical reasoning of a crackpot. Science can't demonstrate a negative.

it is not a negative...as the COVID virus is well proven to be contagious, and besides proving that it spreads easier with out masks, social distancing is relatively easy to do, but some idiots want to use 80,000 people in a packed stadium to confirm it...
So yet again your claims are rendered nonsensical. How many times is that? 100, 200 or more?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

holy baby jebus
they sure are dead set on being 1st

 

[Vociferous]

it is not a negative...as the COVID virus is well proven to be contagious, and besides proving that it spreads easier with out masks, social distancing is relatively easy to do, but some idiots want to use 80,000 people in a packed stadium to confirm it...
So yet again your claims are rendered nonsensical. How many times is that? 100, 200 or more?

Who said anything about testing "with out masks, social distancing"? Not me.
Learn how to read. Maybe that would help things make more sense to you. 9_9

 

[Quantum Quack]

Who said anything about testing "with out masks, social distancing"? Not me.

How do you feel about Trump's campaign proving the science by inevitably holding mass gatherings?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53741966

Coronavirus: How will the world vaccinate seven billion?

Teams across the world are working to develop a vaccine that will be effective against Covid-19.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has called it "the most urgent shared endeavour of our lifetimes".

But away from the high-tech science of finding a winning formula, what about the logistics of rolling out a vaccine to seven billion people worldwide?

In the UK, the heart of that effort is at the Harwell Science Campus, on an ex-RAF airbase in Oxfordshire.

It is going to be the UK's Vaccines Manufacturing and Innovation Centre (VMIC), plans for which have been brought forward by Covid-19.

"We've really compressed the timeline into almost half. So whereas we were expecting to have it ready at the end of 2022, we're now hoping to have it online in 2021," explains Matthew Duchars, chief executive of VMIC.

at one point it was all about preventing despot dictators enslave the world
now its about preventing viruses from decimating modern society.

He says it's a heavy responsibility.

"It's critically important, not just for the country but globally, to be able to produce these types of vaccines quickly and effectively," he says.

"To use an analogy - it's like baking a cake at home. You can spend hours preparing the perfect cake and now you've got to go out and bake 70 million of them and they all have to be perfect, so it's quite a challenge."

 

[paddoboy]

So let's all watch Paddoboy move his own goalposts. He vacuously cites science in his initial argument:

Watch all you like oh vociferous one.....the common sense is as advised by current medical staff or science if you will.

And then when challenged about his claim having any basis in science, he backpedals to "common sense"

Considering you don't have the common sense to avoid citing science when you obviously can't back it up, I don't think we'll be trusting yours.

Considering you have spent many pages defending and making excuses for the chump you claim as your leader, I suggest this is just more of the same.
Medical staff are conducting science in fact and at least in our country, that advice is taken by our leaders. Still "common sense"science are taken by Trump the chump and his vociferous supporters as lefty stuff and ignored...

Well, considering polling places (the point you seem to have lost) typically have far fewer than 40 or 50 voting booths, your appeal to extremes is not only fallacious but also completely irrelevant.

Being so busy making excuses to support the chump, you have dismally failed to have noticed, I never said anything about any polling booths.
I also see that the idiot Trump has again vociferously attacked New Zealand, or at least used NZ in some attempt at a comparison...I mean single digit cases against thousands!!!....

The typical reasoning of a crackpot. Science can't demonstrate a negative.

That certainly is Trump the chump and obviously the thick headed redneck supporters hanging off his every word!!

 

[paddoboy]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03...ings-social-distancing-cancel-events/12043202
"Generally speaking, we're talking about a static gathering where people are together for a period of perhaps up to two hours," Australia's chief medical officer Brendan Murphy said

"That is generally where you have a high risk of exposure.

"Casual exposure — walking through a train station or an airport — is much, much lower risk, so we're talking about those constant periods of contact."
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[paddoboy]

Just to show again the true nature of Trump the Chump, and his red neck supporters,
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ew-zealand-covid-response-after-trump-attacks
New Zealand’s prime minister has hit back at Donald Trump’s focus on the nation’s new coronavirus outbreak, saying it’s not just about how many cases of Covid-19 your country has – but how you deal with them.

The US president has spent the week talking up New Zealand’s recent coronavirus resurgence. The country has recorded 87 new cases since 11 August, after 102 days of having no new infections in the community.

During a press conference on Friday Ardern defended her country’s record, citing the World Health’s Organization’s statement that New Zealand has one of the highest testing rates in the world, as well as one of the lowest death rates.

“I think everyone can see that in New Zealand today, we are talking 11 cases, whereas the United States has been dealing with over 40,000 cases,” Ardern said.

“But it’s not just whether you have cases, it’s how you choose to deal with them as a nation, and I am personally very proud of how New Zealanders have taken to the battle with Covid-19.”

Ardern did not mention Trump by name in her defence of New Zealand’s success, but she did directly compare statistics with the US.

“New Zealand is among a small number of countries that still has low rate of Covid cases, and one of the lowest Covid death rates in the world,” she said. “To give you just one example, the United States has 16,563 cases per million cases. We are 269 cases per million people.”

The death rate in New Zealand is 0.45 deaths for every 100,000 people, compared to the US rate of 53.04, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

Ardern’s response comes after repeated public attacks by Trump.

The back-and-forth began on Tuesday when Trump said at a Minnesota campaign rally: “The places they were using to hold up now they’re having a big surge … they were holding up names of countries and now they’re saying ‘whoops!”

“Do you see what’s happening in New Zealand? They beat it, they beat it, it was like front-page news because they wanted to show me something,”

“Big surge in New Zealand, you know it’s terrible, we don’t want that, but this is an invisible enemy that should never have been let to come to Europe and the rest of the world by China.”

Ardern responded to the criticism on Tuesday, saying there was “no comparison” between the Covid-19 situations in the US and her country. Currently, the US has more than 5.2 million cases and 170,000 deaths, the highest in the world.

“Obviously, it’s patently wrong,” Ardern said of Trump’s comments.

“I think anyone who’s following Covid and its transmission globally will quite easily see that New Zealand’s nine cases in a day does not compare to the United States’ tens of thousands, and in fact does not compare to most countries in the world,” she said.
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[Quantum Quack]

Just to show again the true nature of Trump the Chump, and his red neck supporters,
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ew-zealand-covid-response-after-trump-attacks
New Zealand’s prime minister has hit back at Donald Trump’s focus on the nation’s new coronavirus outbreak, saying it’s not just about how many cases of Covid-19 your country has – but how you deal with them.

The US president has spent the week talking up New Zealand’s recent coronavirus resurgence. The country has recorded 87 new cases since 11 August, after 102 days of having no new infections in the community.

During a press conference on Friday Ardern defended her country’s record, citing the World Health’s Organization’s statement that New Zealand has one of the highest testing rates in the world, as well as one of the lowest death rates.

“I think everyone can see that in New Zealand today, we are talking 11 cases, whereas the United States has been dealing with over 40,000 cases,” Ardern said.

“But it’s not just whether you have cases, it’s how you choose to deal with them as a nation, and I am personally very proud of how New Zealanders have taken to the battle with Covid-19.”

Ardern did not mention Trump by name in her defence of New Zealand’s success, but she did directly compare statistics with the US.

“New Zealand is among a small number of countries that still has low rate of Covid cases, and one of the lowest Covid death rates in the world,” she said. “To give you just one example, the United States has 16,563 cases per million cases. We are 269 cases per million people.”

The death rate in New Zealand is 0.45 deaths for every 100,000 people, compared to the US rate of 53.04, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

Ardern’s response comes after repeated public attacks by Trump.

The back-and-forth began on Tuesday when Trump said at a Minnesota campaign rally: “The places they were using to hold up now they’re having a big surge … they were holding up names of countries and now they’re saying ‘whoops!”

“Do you see what’s happening in New Zealand? They beat it, they beat it, it was like front-page news because they wanted to show me something,”

“Big surge in New Zealand, you know it’s terrible, we don’t want that, but this is an invisible enemy that should never have been let to come to Europe and the rest of the world by China.”

Ardern responded to the criticism on Tuesday, saying there was “no comparison” between the Covid-19 situations in the US and her country. Currently, the US has more than 5.2 million cases and 170,000 deaths, the highest in the world.

“Obviously, it’s patently wrong,” Ardern said of Trump’s comments.

“I think anyone who’s following Covid and its transmission globally will quite easily see that New Zealand’s nine cases in a day does not compare to the United States’ tens of thousands, and in fact does not compare to most countries in the world,” she said.
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It might be worth adding that the New Zealand economy has survived quite well (GDP - 1.6% 1stQ to -17% 2ndQ ) compared to Trumps major achievement of a drop of about 5% & 33% not to mention burgeoning long term unemployment and no solution in sight. Where as New Zealand can manage an effectively COVID free social and business life the USA hasn't got a hope as it stands.
But what is most important is that New Zealand have a plan that works.
The USA has no solid plan at all.
Sad!

 

[Quantum Quack]

An interesting article that describes known dermal symptoms related to COVID-19
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...cts-skin-covid-toes-hair-loss-rashes/12582926

 

[Vociferous]

How do you feel about Trump's campaign proving the science by inevitably holding mass gatherings?

Adults can make their own decisions.

 

[Quantum Quack]

Adults can make their own decisions.

and be held to account for them.... yes?
So those adults leave the campaign rally and infect others ......are those so called adults to be held to account for their actions?
The lawyers in the USA are going to have a field day.
Being an adult means what to you?

 

[Vociferous]

and be held to account for them.... yes?
So those adults leave the campaign rally and infect others ......are those so called adults to be held to account for their actions?
The lawyers in the USA are going to have a field day.
Being an adult means what to you?

If you're out in public, you are taking your own risk. You don't know where all those people have been. And in the US, they have no responsibility to you, unless maybe they're symptomatic or already tested positive. As usual, you have no clue about the US, much less it's laws.

 

[Quantum Quack]

If you're out in public, you are taking your own risk. You don't know where all those people have been. And in the US, they have no responsibility to you, unless maybe they're symptomatic or already tested positive. As usual, you have no clue about the US, much less it's laws.

According to you, in the USA it must be that an asymptomatic contagious person has every right in infect as many people as he wishes...
No wonder you have such a problem ...
Being an adult in the middle of a deadly pandemic means what to you?

 

[Vociferous]

According to you, in the USA it must be that an asymptomatic contagious person has every right in infect as many people as he wishes...
No wonder you have such a problem ...

Asymptomatic people have no idea they're contagious. And this:

Contact tracing data from around the globe suggests that while there are instances of asymptomatic coronavirus patients transmitting the virus to others, they are not "a main driver" of new infections, World Health Organization officials said at a press conference Monday.
https://www.axios.com/who-coronavir...nts-08d84e31-1846-44d8-8fe1-2343ff850764.html​

 

[Quantum Quack]

Asymptomatic people have no idea they're contagious.

Perhaps not but certainly they know that they may be potentially contagious ( infected ). This is why they are trying to stop mass gatherings etc...
So you go to a Trump rally and get infected ( asymptomatic ) then return home and infect your wife, children, who then go on to visit your grandmother in a nursing home
.... and then you have the nerve to claim you have the right to and have no responsibility for the out come even though you were warned and well aware that this might happen?
Do the words:
Duty of care and Negligence mean anything to you?

Currently the USA has over 2.5Million active known confirmed cases, many data scientists would suggest that the actual figure could be as much as 10 times greater. Even if we go conservative there is 1 infected person for every 144 people in the USA. This could be as high as approx. 1:10 if we take the data scientists POV.
If you can't find the data on the net use your own calculator . it isn't hard...

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