Communists

Chatha said:
You are NOT the only human being on earth
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but would you have even half the balls that spurious had in coming to america?

i doubt it. dont pretend to know anything about other countries until you have spent at least a year immersed in it's culture. i live in a town called Gent, but i dont even pretend to know anything about people in antwerpen. how can you pretend to know anything about anyone outside of america (im making a very positive assumption that you havent ever lived anywhere else)?
 
spuriousmonkey said:
In finland 100% of the population has free medical care.

I will receive about 400 Euro child benefit per year (actually more, because I have 2 children):
That is $6.268
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in finland who pays for the "free" healthcare?

who pays for the child benefit?
 
Chatha said:
If you ask me I think you are a racist of some sort, or crazy. Everybody knows that countries have some things they are excellent in, every country is not for everybody. You came out here stating this and that yet no real proof of your assessments. You don't like America? Who cares, I don't care if you marry two wives, thats your cup of tea man. Just try and keep your opinions to yourself and don't bring forth some assinine crap about a country just because you like or don't like that country. So who cares about Nokia, is that what brings food to my table? You are writting like an illiterate. You have no idea of living standards, economy, and enterprise, or what the flying saucer you are saying. Just because you are a failure in America doen't mean the country America is and just because you are successful in your Finland doesn't mean Finland gives a fuck about you. You are NOT the only human being on earth, get a grip man, are you mad?
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An ad hominem attack is your argument?

you lose.
 
Even if you live 100 years in a country that doesn't give you the right to generalize like this person is doing, people experience different things. I have a friend who moved from Lucrative Germany to Canada because of living standards, Germany, a country which is arguably better than most European countries. People see things differently, unless you are a whinny kid. There is some truth to what he is saying but he is out of his mind.I've got no time for you fuck-nut, you remind me of buddha1, you guys are in your own little world, peddling your Grievances.
 
I've got no time for you fuck-nut, you remind me of buddha1, you guys are in your own little world, peddling your Grievances.
 
leopold99 said:
in finland who pays for the "free" healthcare?

who pays for the child benefit?
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We all do. It's what a social society is about. Socialism. Communism. That's what this thread is about actually. I think we had this discussion before. Most americans just can't grasp the concept. Then you get the standard term 'handouts'. That's what happens when you transplant american morals to a different society.

Nobody is bothered by these things in finland, because that is what the society wants. They want to take care of their children. They want to support the family, they want lower level incomes to afford a good home.

That's socialism for you.
 
And where do you think the Finish gov gets the money to pay for this things? The biggets market of all, America. The Cubans have the same socialist system thingy but they have a closed system so they rot in poverty. If all the world engages in communism alone we will all be living in filth, there needs to be a market where the government can make money so that the government can exist in the first place. Your little Nokia trades in the NADASQ, so in essence Americans are also making you rich.
 
leopold99 said:
how do "we all do" when you don't pay taxes?
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Normally I would be paying taxes but currently I am going to receive my salary from a scientific grant. It is an exception. I could also get the same salary from an other soruce and then would have to pay taxes. I actually had that for a while in Finland. Then the salary is much higher, but you pay tax and the nett salary is in the end the same.

This is a very exceptional situation. This only occurs in science. There are some serious disadavantages from being paid from a grant though. You do not build up a pension as you would with a proper salary for instance. And technically it doesn't count as real work in some senses. So if you lose your job you will not receive benefits that would normally come if you had a proper salary.

In conclusion: in 99% of the situations I would be paying taxes and I have done so in the past. I also made other sacrifices for society such as doing my tour of duty in the army and giving 14 months of my life (for 300 Euro a month). And I am sacrificing some rights with this tax free grant that are normal for most people.

Science is a bitch.

Don't do it kids.
 
Chatha said:
And where do you think the Finish gov gets the money to pay for this things? The biggets market of all, America. The Cubans have the same socialist system thingy but they have a closed system so they rot in poverty. If all the world engages in communism alone we will all be living in filth, there needs to be a market where the government can make money so that the government can exist in the first place. Your little Nokia trades in the NADASQ, so in essence Americans are also making you rich.
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I know that you just post whatever comes into your mind. But maybe you can actually look things up before making a fool of yourself.

Biggest trading partner of finland: GERMANY, then RUSSIA.

The USA seems quite insignificant in this respect. It's about the same as the trade with the Netherlands. One of those other insignificant countries in your eyes.

http://www.stat.fi/tup/suoluk/suoluk_kotimaankauppa_en.html#Foreigntrade

Main trading partners, 2005
Germany 7 027 14,9 5 573 10,6 -1 454
Russia 6 557 13,9 5 744 11,0 -813
Sweden 4 967 10,6 5 658 10,8 691
United Kingdom 2 099 4,5 3 518 6,7 1 419
USA 1 966 4,2 3 059 5,8 1 094
Netherlands 1 878 4,0 2 532 4,8 654
China 2 820 6,0 1 556 3,0 -1 264
France 1 697 3,6 1 800 3,4 103
Italy 1 672 3,6 1 616 3,1 -56
Estonia 1 479 3,1 1 359 2,6 -121
Other countries 14 864 31,6 20 038 38,2 5 174

and

Finland has been declared the most competitive country in the world for three consecutive years 2003-2005 (four times in the last five years) by the World Economic Forum.
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i see no reason why communism and democracy cannot co-exist
or better yet to incorporate the best of both into a new form of government.
oh shit it's the illuminati and the new world order !
 
Competition is good. Personal responsibility is good. Accountability is good. Communism is crap.

Marx was a genius but he just didn't understand the human condition.
 
devil,
What exactly is a Marxist government? Revolution by the working class, no private property, etc. Hasn't that been done at least in the short term?
 
SpuriousMonkey: The following shows how intelligent you are. You seem like the type to act before thinking.
Trying spitting in my face. I would kick your sorry ass.
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I am old enough to be your grandfather, but win, lose, or draw you would get hurt if you tried to kick my ass. After it was all over, I would be happy to have you arrested for assault. A jackass like you would make an unsympatheitc defendant in both the crimimal assault trial and the later civil trial. A smart attorney could easily stack the jury with people who would be eager to getr you for attcking a poor old man. It would be interesting to see if I could manage to take you. I was a fair grappler with some martial arts experience. My stamina is not what it once was, but with a little luck I could have you in trouble before I got tired.
 
Communist Hamster: What makes you blame America for lousy conditions in some third world country? America did not create the conditions which make them willing to work for a pittance, if in fact they consider it a pittance. Perhaps they are grateful for the lousy job available to them because America pays for whatever it is they make. We did not steal from them or set up their crummy economic system. We do not run their government.

If the job is so crummy and only pays a pittance, why don't they quit?
 
Dinosaur said:
America did not create the conditions which make them willing to work for a pittance
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Did and does, in common with every other first world country that forces them to produce goods for export instead of domestic consumption.

We did not steal from them or set up their crummy economic system. We do not run their government.
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Yes 'you' did - you stole people, money, and virtually anything else that you could sell for a profit. And still today the Western world continues to rape and pillage - we're just not overt about it, and have instead roped them into a cycle of debt that they can't possibly pay. In this sense, you - or rather we - run their governments.

It would be interesting to see if I could manage to take you.
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I am more than willing to hold your coats.
 
Dinosaur said:
SpuriousMonkey: The following shows how intelligent you are. You seem like the type to act before thinking. I am old enough to be your grandfather, but win, lose, or draw you would get hurt if you tried to kick my ass. After it was all over, I would be happy to have you arrested for assault. A jackass like you would make an unsympatheitc defendant in both the crimimal assault trial and the later civil trial. A smart attorney could easily stack the jury with people who would be eager to getr you for attcking a poor old man. It would be interesting to see if I could manage to take you. I was a fair grappler with some martial arts experience. My stamina is not what it once was, but with a little luck I could have you in trouble before I got tired.
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Wait a second, you were the one that talked about spitting in his face for his opinion!

Is this how low people in the USA have sunk, that they spit in other peoples faces for their opinion?

Anyway, I would like to remind people taht socialism is not communism. The relationships between socialists and communists have not always been very good, rather like the current relations between libertarians and conservatives in the USA.
 
Chatha said:
My friend has almost 100% free health care also, and on top of that he gets a huge subsidy every month from the social department because he has two kids. It all depends on the plan you have. I personally will prefer good helath care to free healthcare. Finland can accomodate free health care because its population is less than California's and its a socialist state, the united states and Cananda are not that socialist and they have a big population.
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Hang ona minute, surely in big competitive America, they are producing more per person, so that actually it doesnt matter how many people are in the USA? Or are you suggesting that there are millions of wastrels in the USA, stealing everyones money? Do you seriously think that population has much to do with it?
 
Chatha said:
Who the fuck cares about Finland? Again, are you mad?
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But why should we care about you?

Given that the UK, my home country, had the largest Empire the world has yet seen, and now has almost nothing, and is possibly heading towatrds bankruptcy, whats so special about the USA?
 
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