Communists
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Mosheh Thezion
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dragon;
in response to your previous post:
democracy is a leadership style, and is opposed by dictatorship.
communism is a political ideal and is opposed by capitalism.
democracy and capitalism are not related at all, nor are they dependednt on one another. this goes the same for dictatorship and communism, there are plonty of capitalist dictatorships.
in response to your previous post:
democracy is a leadership style, and is opposed by dictatorship.
communism is a political ideal and is opposed by capitalism.
democracy and capitalism are not related at all, nor are they dependednt on one another. this goes the same for dictatorship and communism, there are plonty of capitalist dictatorships.
The reason I like communism is the fact that no one is better than anyone else with the exception of the leader. If the leader is not corrupt and makes sure everyone is treated equaly, communism can work. One way to alter communism to help it be better is have the people vote for who their next leader will be.
Mosheh Thezion
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draqon said:i didnt choose to come to US.
WHAT IS REALLY SAD... is it doesnt matter... your country is ruled exactly the same way... most of the world is......
-MT
Bharatiya Janata
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Primarily currency of communism nations are rising.If proper assembles are formed and uncorrrupt leaders are accumalated communism is ajust.Equallity does have setbacks however.Equall people have Equall rights and responsibilities and no higher power, excluding the leader.My example is-China a once poor colonial region, but now becoming rich and prosperous.In approximately 15 years currency value will increase to a new degree. China will become a new World power.
Communism
A system devoid of acknowledging human nature.
Shop clerks can decide themselves whether or not they want to sell you something, and will think nothing of chasing you out of the shop. (soup nazis)
Shops are filthy, have little choice, huge lineups, and are often emptied quickly.
Bus drivers with basic education make more money than doctors.
Condemned buildings reopened to accomodate students.
Everythings cheap, but everythings crap.
Appalling housing and health facilities.
Dentists use small bits of arsenic to kill root nerves.
Yellow sugar, imported from Cuba used in many sweets, rots teeth quickly.
Most teeth are gold or silver.
When your phone breaks down, weeks and months pass before a technician arrives, wherein he promptly begins negotiating a large bribe to fix the phone.
Many smoke, really bad cigarettes.
Cockroaches skurry over you while you sleep.
The Black Market permeates through everywhere and everyone.
The US dollar rules.
Good service is non-existent.
Hot water's a luxury.
It's illegal to be unemployed longer than 2 months.
Everything is state controlled... everything.
Corruption is a way of life.
A system devoid of acknowledging human nature.
Shop clerks can decide themselves whether or not they want to sell you something, and will think nothing of chasing you out of the shop. (soup nazis)
Shops are filthy, have little choice, huge lineups, and are often emptied quickly.
Bus drivers with basic education make more money than doctors.
Condemned buildings reopened to accomodate students.
Everythings cheap, but everythings crap.
Appalling housing and health facilities.
Dentists use small bits of arsenic to kill root nerves.
Yellow sugar, imported from Cuba used in many sweets, rots teeth quickly.
Most teeth are gold or silver.
When your phone breaks down, weeks and months pass before a technician arrives, wherein he promptly begins negotiating a large bribe to fix the phone.
Many smoke, really bad cigarettes.
Cockroaches skurry over you while you sleep.
The Black Market permeates through everywhere and everyone.
The US dollar rules.
Good service is non-existent.
Hot water's a luxury.
It's illegal to be unemployed longer than 2 months.
Everything is state controlled... everything.
Corruption is a way of life.
(Q) said:
Some points are also valid for the US. I copied those.
I wonder how many people posting here have any knowledge of history. I find it hard to believe that comunist/socialist principles have such a strong following.
SpuriousMonkey:
By 1900, the average American work had a standard of living only surpassed by the nobility of the feudal era.
The so called robber barons had to provide jobs as well as good and services at prices affordable to the average person. Their activities were a net benefit to the average person. Today, few but the politicians, lobbyists, and favored special interests benefit from the monstrous bureaucracies established at almost all levels of government.
Legislation, labor unions, and welfare programs did not result in the production of all the items available to the average worker in America. Today, we are all aware of the cars, computers, TV's, cell phones, household applinances, entertainment, and other goods/services available to us.
How many are aware of conditions around 1900? If you were to study a Sears Roebuck catalog from the 1900-1910 era, you would be amazed at the items available and affordable to the average worker. 100-200 hundred years earlier, only the very wealthy (mostly land owing nobility) could afford such items. Yet that era was near the end of the so called robber baron era.
To me it is sad that America has been in decline for at least 50-60 years. It is a tribute to how high we got that USA is still one of the best places in the world to live.
I think that we have gone down hill mainly due to the implementing of socialist principles, which have undermined the work ethic of long ago. With or without socialist policies, we have suffered from an excess of government control over the economy. Demagog-like politicians have made a bogeyman out of big business in order to justify big government and become more powerful and affluent.
Vslayer:
Dragon: I find it hard to believe that anybody who lived in the USA & the USSR thought that conditions in the USSR were better. From the 19th century until recent times there have been large numbers of people wanting to and actually managing to get to the USA. There has never been an era when more than a few from America wanted to go elsewhere, and I would not expect Russia to be anyone's idea of a good place to go without either a large amount of money or influential contacts.
I have known a lot of Russian born people who came here, including some who arrived recently and some who arrived up to 30 or more years ago. Without exception, they have commented on how much better life is here, both in terms of personal freedom and standard of living.
Zephyr:
SpuriousMonkey:
For about 150 years, ending some time in the late 1900's or early 20th century, America (at least in the North) had a good approximation to laissez faire capitalism (I put the beginning of the end at 1913). During that time, the life of the average man improved greatly. If you compare life in the USA (except for slaves in the South), all were better off than the average person under the Feudal system which capitalism replaced.
By 1900, the average American work had a standard of living only surpassed by the nobility of the feudal era.
The so called robber barons had to provide jobs as well as good and services at prices affordable to the average person. Their activities were a net benefit to the average person. Today, few but the politicians, lobbyists, and favored special interests benefit from the monstrous bureaucracies established at almost all levels of government.
Legislation, labor unions, and welfare programs did not result in the production of all the items available to the average worker in America. Today, we are all aware of the cars, computers, TV's, cell phones, household applinances, entertainment, and other goods/services available to us.
How many are aware of conditions around 1900? If you were to study a Sears Roebuck catalog from the 1900-1910 era, you would be amazed at the items available and affordable to the average worker. 100-200 hundred years earlier, only the very wealthy (mostly land owing nobility) could afford such items. Yet that era was near the end of the so called robber baron era.
To me it is sad that America has been in decline for at least 50-60 years. It is a tribute to how high we got that USA is still one of the best places in the world to live.
I think that we have gone down hill mainly due to the implementing of socialist principles, which have undermined the work ethic of long ago. With or without socialist policies, we have suffered from an excess of government control over the economy. Demagog-like politicians have made a bogeyman out of big business in order to justify big government and become more powerful and affluent.
Vslayer:
If you think that such a system could work on a national level, you are hopelessly naive.
Dragon: I find it hard to believe that anybody who lived in the USA & the USSR thought that conditions in the USSR were better. From the 19th century until recent times there have been large numbers of people wanting to and actually managing to get to the USA. There has never been an era when more than a few from America wanted to go elsewhere, and I would not expect Russia to be anyone's idea of a good place to go without either a large amount of money or influential contacts.
I have known a lot of Russian born people who came here, including some who arrived recently and some who arrived up to 30 or more years ago. Without exception, they have commented on how much better life is here, both in terms of personal freedom and standard of living.
Zephyr:
Depending on what goes into the mix, it is likely to be analogous to mixing food and poison. Some compromises are not worth considering.
Dinosaur said:
Socialist principles do not work in a society where greed is the highest goal. If you know a bit of history you would know that the inequality is much greater in the US than in European socialist welfare states. A higher GDP but more poverty. If you actually visit these states you would see that socialist principles have produced a society with less crime, more protection for the average citizen, less poverty, lower child death rates etc. Gosh. Could it be that socialism can work?
It's not for nothing that I hear the term 'handout' always from americans. That is because they cannot cope with a social society. They are always aiming to better their own circumstances and never that of the society. They will milk whatever situation possible. They cannot imagine that their money should go to someone else. Hence the revulsion to pay taxes.
In a social welfare state systems are in place to help people. Nobody would labels them as handouts. Only americans do so. The society has chosen to support those that go through lean times, be it unemployment, education, motherhood etc. For the good of society.
I have seen the US with my own eyes. It is rotten to the core. I would shut up about it if I were you. There is nothing to brag about it. To me America is the biggest dump ever (from all western worlds).
have you even lived somewhere else?
If we ever get smart enough computers with good AI then we could use communism becuase there is no chance of it becoming creedy, evil ETC.
Dinosaur said:
The reason those people came to USA is because they didnt like it in USSR...of course they would be saying how horrible life was there...I on the other hand...had no choice but to come here to USA. And I have a different set of mind, different purpose of life unlike the majority, so that might explains why I favor this communism idea much more...it just isnt so horrible and evil how people in this forum describe it, but im tired of saying the same exact thing...so I am just going to let these people speak what they have been taught to believe in.
Also...those russians you speak of...do they by any chance have jewish blood flowing in them?....if yes...then it is quite obvious why they hated it there...USSR doesnt allow individual profit making, which is something that jewish population is accustomed to.
Anti-semitism detected!draqon said:
And to Dinosaur, have you taken into account the factories and sweatshops in the east which make most of the wests goods?
If you are genuinely interested in Communism, Meskitty, you should go and read the "communist manifesto".
Heres a random copy form online:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
In chapter 2, one of the important parts is this:
Now, think carefully about this point. It is decidedly not what happened in Russia. Indeed, heres some Chomsky on Leninism:
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/other/intellectuals-state.html
Heres a random copy form online:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
In chapter 2, one of the important parts is this:
Now, think carefully about this point. It is decidedly not what happened in Russia. Indeed, heres some Chomsky on Leninism:
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/other/intellectuals-state.html