Well, at least God knows that the planet is warming, then.
Climate-gate
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Like George Orwell said, freedom is slavery. At least for some.
“Obviously less people would exert less pressure on the natural resources,” Figueres answered, also noting that estimates suggest the Earth’s population will rise to nine billion by 2050. Dalton then questioned whether that figure could in some way be stalled or halted.
“So is nine billion a forgone conclusion? That’s like baked in, done, no way to change that?” he asked Figueres.
“There is pressure in the system to go toward that; we can definitely change those, right? We can definitely change those numbers,” Figueres said in response. “Really, we should make every effort to change those numbers because we are already, today, already exceeding the planet’s planetary carrying capacity.” she also claimed."
http://www.infowars.com/video-un-cl...d-make-every-effort-to-depopulate-the-planet/
“So is nine billion a forgone conclusion? That’s like baked in, done, no way to change that?” he asked Figueres.
“There is pressure in the system to go toward that; we can definitely change those, right? We can definitely change those numbers,” Figueres said in response. “Really, we should make every effort to change those numbers because we are already, today, already exceeding the planet’s planetary carrying capacity.” she also claimed."
http://www.infowars.com/video-un-cl...d-make-every-effort-to-depopulate-the-planet/
That is true or false, depending on how the reduction is achieved. If done the way developed countries have - prosperity; then the increase in per capita energy and materials use, may more than off set the lower number of people.
Forced abortions, killing potential 2nd child with little increase in standard of living would make that "obviously" true, but does humanity want to go down that road? Especially, when simple, sustainable, and more rapid reduction of CO2 release with slightly negative net cost is possible by 30 year proven technology: - Sugar Cane alcohol for car fuel instead of finite oil based gasoline. Current IC engine cars can be converted, with less than 1% of the cost of a Tesla EV and there is no "what do you do with a mountain of old batteries" problem - reprocess them of course, but that takes energy and makes pollution.
China went some down that road, but now has relaxed the one child policy, as it is causing shortage of workers to support a population of increasing average age. Further more as a means to "exert less pressure on the natural resources,” ... Reduce CO2 emissions, etc. it has drastically failed. - With the real purchasing power of salaries, especially in rural areas, increasing by double digits annually the per capita release of CO2 is increasing.
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Warning, satire lurks here-in:
Americans starting to worry about climate change now it affects their lawns
Americans starting to worry about climate change now it affects their lawns
24? or 53?
More long comments were lost - I may return and do them again. They explained in detail that water vapor IR "random walks" up and grows less intense as the top layers it can escape from are much colder air - nothing can radiate more intensely than a black body at same temperature can.
The fact (top graphs) that there is no water vapor above about 10Km but there is CO2, N2O, & CH4 means that can absorb in the H2O vapor bands means Water Vapor is NOT very effective in blocking heat from escaping the earth. Its IR will be reabsorbed and then at sill higher levels these GHG will radiate IR from earth.
The red lines of the lower graph were intended by the ignorant author to show that CH4 was not important as the more abundant by far, water vapor would do any heat trapping of IR trying to escape the earth's surface that CH4 could do - It is really just the opposite - Water vapor makes a lower blanket but is NOT as important as the CO2 & CH4 in limiting what heat can escape to space.
The "story" is much more complex than just where the molecular absorption bands are.
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Few will watch this hour long video by one of world's foremost experts on the Arctic (more than 500 papers & two books) but it is wide ranging - many inter related aspect covered (science to political to economic considerations):
For just a hint of his knowledge: A few decades ago Norway, a very responsible nation, closed some profitable coal mines in its Arctic Ocean islands as they were releasing heavy metals. The World Health Organization had recommended that native women living North of the Artic Circle (all the way round, as there are mine in Canada, etc. too) cease breast feeding. Their milk was contaminated with more than 10 times the safe level of heavy metals.* Then a Russian sub planted a flag on the ocean floor and Russia claimed as it economic exclusion zone a large part of the Arctic Ocean. Norway, Canada, USA, & Denmark (Greenland is Danish) quickly made their claims. Norway re-opened the coal mines in Arctic islands to exhibit active use of its claimed area and excludes fishing boats from other nations in its claimed economic exclusion zone. Now what was all "international waters" has been reduced to less than 5% of the Arctic Ocean!
His scientific knowledge is excellent too. His focus here is on "Tipping Points" - there are many and most concern the sea ice. One point he makes is that it is natural to expect a smooth declining curve of ice area/ volume vs temperature with Arctic warming that would reverse if the warming did, but at the "tipping point" you switch to a different curve and it is along it that you would "back up" if the temperature declined. This is a general effect of "tipping points" - recovery to the original state even with complete reversal of the driving force does not occur on a time scale of interest to humans.
Anyone interested in the complex, economic, scientific, political problem of AGW north of the Artic Circle needs to watch this video. Admittedly it could be shorter but it is still worth watching it in full. If you want to skip the introductions start at 6 minutes into the video.
* The toxic heavy metals become more concentrated with each step up in the ocean food chain. The women are the final step at the top.
BTW, for those interested in the stock market and economy in general can note his point (at about 16 minutes into the video) that as one approaches a "tipping point" the volatility of data dramatically increases. Stock prices, e.g. the Dow average, now changes + or - 100 points nearly every day. That indicates the US economy is near a "tipping point."
For just a hint of his knowledge: A few decades ago Norway, a very responsible nation, closed some profitable coal mines in its Arctic Ocean islands as they were releasing heavy metals. The World Health Organization had recommended that native women living North of the Artic Circle (all the way round, as there are mine in Canada, etc. too) cease breast feeding. Their milk was contaminated with more than 10 times the safe level of heavy metals.* Then a Russian sub planted a flag on the ocean floor and Russia claimed as it economic exclusion zone a large part of the Arctic Ocean. Norway, Canada, USA, & Denmark (Greenland is Danish) quickly made their claims. Norway re-opened the coal mines in Arctic islands to exhibit active use of its claimed area and excludes fishing boats from other nations in its claimed economic exclusion zone. Now what was all "international waters" has been reduced to less than 5% of the Arctic Ocean!
His scientific knowledge is excellent too. His focus here is on "Tipping Points" - there are many and most concern the sea ice. One point he makes is that it is natural to expect a smooth declining curve of ice area/ volume vs temperature with Arctic warming that would reverse if the warming did, but at the "tipping point" you switch to a different curve and it is along it that you would "back up" if the temperature declined. This is a general effect of "tipping points" - recovery to the original state even with complete reversal of the driving force does not occur on a time scale of interest to humans.
Anyone interested in the complex, economic, scientific, political problem of AGW north of the Artic Circle needs to watch this video. Admittedly it could be shorter but it is still worth watching it in full. If you want to skip the introductions start at 6 minutes into the video.
* The toxic heavy metals become more concentrated with each step up in the ocean food chain. The women are the final step at the top.
BTW, for those interested in the stock market and economy in general can note his point (at about 16 minutes into the video) that as one approaches a "tipping point" the volatility of data dramatically increases. Stock prices, e.g. the Dow average, now changes + or - 100 points nearly every day. That indicates the US economy is near a "tipping point."
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nope
and, using your vernacular in reply: "i ain't yer pardner... don't like snakes or stupid... both will get you just as kilt dead as the other"
@ Trippy!
thanks for that link... it was awesome
Almost onion-esque... was surprised at the source
Daily Caller. Hmm. Is that just a right wing mouthpiece or is it a serious news outlet? Let's see what the top stories are:
MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell: ‘Everybody In The Media’ Being ‘Used’ By Hillary
Kristol Mocks Hillary's 'Mingling With The Peasants' Tour
Are Hillary Clinton And Huma Hungover? This Photo Might Be Proof.
What does Wikipedia say?
"The Daily Caller is a politically conservative news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney, The Daily Caller launched on January 11, 2010."
How about Sourcewatch?
"A conservative/Republican news spin organization founded by conservative reporter Tucker Carlson and former Dick Cheney aide Neil Patel. The Daily Caller's announced objective is to be a "content" response tool to articles on The Huffington Post.
Foundation
Tucker announced a loose idea for it at the 2009 CPAC. He and Patel than officially announced it at a Heritage Foundation gathering in May 2009, after which $3 million in capital from unnamed outside sources was invested.
Employees
It's unclear besides an editorial and accounting staff whether they actually employ any journalists other than Carlson, who's career has been as a talking head as opposed to a reporter. According to Carlson, they intend to use and adapt content from bloggers, possibly under freelance contracts. Per a 2010 article in The Washington Independent, it's reporters are from the conservative Washington Times (Jon Ward) and Government Executive (Gautham Nagesh) along with a humor opinion writer Jim Treacher (real name Sean Medlock)."
Like they say - it is not possible to make a man understand something when his paycheck depends on him not understanding it.
You really could have done better. Why post the daily caller when you can go to the source yourself? That way you avoid the logical fallacies of "well its the daily caller" and irrelevant links that do nothing to dispute the testimony.
http://judithcurry.com/2015/04/15/hearing-presidents-un-climate-pledge/
You think my position is politically based?
18% of democrats think seriousness of GW is exaggerated. 45% of Independents.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/167960/americans-likely-say-global-warming-exaggerated.aspx
So to answer your question, No it wouldnt change my position.