Clear and Present Danger

[S.A.M.]

That reminded me of Harrison Ford.

“Although security risks have been ‘limited’ in the past few months, there is now clear and present danger following the announcement of Geert Wilders’ film as well as the government’s decision to prolong its military operations in Uruzgan in the south of Afghanistan”, delcared the dutch newspaper, Het Algemeen Dagblad, making reference to valid and “authorised” information.

The Dutch government after trying to ban the film for fear of reprisals has called on muslim countries not to confound their stance with that of Geert Wilders’. It is in this light that they approached their european partners hoping for support in the event of a diplomatic crisis with Iran, Egypt and Pakistan who have expressed their righteous anger over FITNA. The Hague is seeking to cover itself under the protection of NATO. It also wants to avoid an offensive against its 1600 military contingent after threats of a doubling of attacks from the taliban.

According to Le Monde, The Hague is ready to exfiltrate Geert Wilders, who is already under a high security protection after death threats were leveled at him, should the situation go bad. It is perhaps to prevent another gruesome murder, with Theo Van Gogh’s fate still fresh in people’s minds.

Someone should tell the Dutch they're over reacting.

I mean, come on, troops in Afghanistan in danger? Duh!

http://en.afrik.com/article12817.html

 

[(Q)]

Someone should tell the Dutch they're over reacting.

That's a joke, right? Over reacting?

 

[S.A.M.]

That's a joke, right? Over reacting?

Yeah, sort of like Dutch troops who are afraid of their safety while you know, invading a country and occupying it.

Can you give me a reason why Afghanis should not kill Dutch troops occupying their country?

 

[mikenostic]

Can you give me a reason why Afghanis should not kill Dutch troops occupying their country?

Does that mean that the Afghanis would rather have the Taliban in power than the Dutch occupying their country?

 

[S.A.M.]

Does that mean that the Afghanis would rather have the Taliban in power than the Dutch occupying their country?

Would you like someone else to make a decision like that for you?

Like would you rather have Bush as President or the British occupying you?

What do you think?

 

[otheadp]

All that weed and they can't bring themselves to chill the f out... Strange thing indeed.

Maybe they should try some BC Skunk. That's the real good shit.

 

[cosmictraveler]

Destroy all of the opium fields and the "enemy" won't have any money to buy weapons. That will stop them cold. By not doing that one thing many people die for nothing more than trying to control the opium output .

 

[S.A.M.]

Destroy all of the opium fields and the "enemy" won't have any money to buy weapons. That will stop them cold. By not doing that one thing many people die for nothing more than trying to control the opium output .

The Taliban had completely stopped opium production, its haram according to them.

The Taliban opium ban in 2000/2001 had, there is no doubt, the most profound impact on opium/heroin supply in modern history, as the authors argue. Exogenous global causes can indeed be eliminated as explanations. It was a rare historical moment that allowed almost absolute compliance in the south of the country, with hardly any direct enforcement or punishment required. From the eastern regions, where Taliban control was far from absolute, several cases of disobedience were reported, largely resolved by means of negotiations and pay-offs to local war lords. By harvest time in spring 2001, the effectiveness of the ban was already confirmed beyond any doubt, and astonished the international community at the time.

Its Bush who does not want to bother.

The Bush administration has decided not to destroy the opium crop in Afghanistan. President Bush, who previously linked the Afghan drug trade directly to terrorism, has now decided not to destroy the Afghan opium crop.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/3/28/95240.shtml

And you're in their country, telling them what to do.

 

[cosmictraveler]

The Taliban had completely stopped opium production, its haram according to them.

I'm only stating ways other than war to stop the problems in Afghanistan. The Teliban created other problems like beheading women that didn't do everything they were told or taking away education and making indoctrination into the Teliban the main education goal.

 

[S.A.M.]

I'm only stating ways other than war to stop the problems in Afghanistan. The Teliban created other problems like beheading women that didn't do everything they were told or taking away education and making indoctrination into the Teliban the main education goal.

Hmm so if the Taliban has issues with the US (like Gitmo), they should kill some Americans?

 

[15ofthe19]

I know you're probably bored with all that time on your hands, but is this really the best you can come up with? I mean, this is just lazy. Besides the obvious ham-handed trolling, you don't even address the topic that YOU tried to create. If there was a question (and there should have been) then debate over the fears of the Dutch could be discussed. But there was no question, only another troll.

You don't even make an effort anymore...:shrug:

 

[S.A.M.]

debate over the fears of the Dutch could be discussed

Who cares what fears an occupying army has?

 

[mikenostic]

The Taliban had completely stopped opium production, its haram according to them.

I seriously doubt the Taliban stopped anything except freedom. I don't think opium fields just 'magically' appeared and was in full production within a week or two after we went in. They were there before we ever got there. Either the Taliban was oblivious to their existence or they just flat out lied about it.
IIRC they were responsible for destroying quite a bit of books, historical documents and the like, and they were also responsible for the destruction of those 180 foot tall Buddha statues(I have a HUGE problem with that). Religious intolerance much?
The Bush administration is by far not my favorite, but I'd take Dubya 1 million times over the Taliban.

 

[S.A.M.]

I seriously doubt the Taliban stopped anything except freedom. I don't think opium fields just 'magically' appeared and was in full production within a week or two after we went in. They were there before we ever got there. Either the Taliban was oblivious to their existence or they just flat out lied about it.
IIRC they were responsible for destroying quite a bit of books, historical documents and the like, and they were also responsible for the destruction of those 180 foot tall Buddha statues(I have a HUGE problem with that). Religious intolerance much?
The Bush administration is by far not my favorite, but I'd take Dubya 1 million times over the Taliban.

Not a week or two. A year later. And yeah, the stopping of opium production was pretty big news, maybe not in the US.

Did you see the source?
Learning Lessons from the Taliban Opium Ban
Martin Jelsma
International Journal on Drug Policy, Volume 16, Issue 2, March 2005

 

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[Roman]

So... the Dutch rightfully fear Islams flipping shit over the showing of a movie (remember the crap the crapped over cartoons?), are like, hey we're kind of scared. Therefore, Islams are justified in attacking Dutch embassies, tourists, and other civilians because Afghanistan is occupied?

That's like saying America would be justified in invading Iraq after a bunch of Saudis hijacked an airplane, or that America would be justified in kidnapping Islams and locking them up for being Islams since some Saudis attacked the pentagon.

 

[S.A.M.]

So... the Dutch rightfully fear Islams flipping shit over the showing of a movie (remember the crap the crapped over cartoons?), are like, hey we're kind of scared. Therefore, Islams are justified in attacking Dutch embassies, tourists, and other civilians because Afghanistan is occupied?

That's like saying America would be justified in invading Iraq after a bunch of Saudis hijacked an airplane, or that America would be justified in kidnapping Islams and locking them up for being Islams since some Saudis attacked the pentagon.

Are you saying that the Afghanis should care about the right to freedom of expression of their occupiers?

 

[(Q)]

Yeah, sort of like Dutch troops who are afraid of their safety while you know, invading a country and occupying it.

Can you give me a reason why Afghanis should not kill Dutch troops occupying their country?

Sure, if you can give me a reason why a filmmaker was knifed in the street? And, why another filmmaker most likely will meet the same fate?

 

[S.A.M.]

Sure, if you can give me a reason why a filmmaker was knifed in the street? And, why another filmmaker most likely will meet the same fate?

Freedom of expression?

The knifer took the consequences of his action, much like the filmmaker did.

 

[(Q)]

The knifer took the consequences of his action, much like the filmmaker did.

And in your unbiased opinion, the filmmaker deserved to die for making a film.

Justice was served?