Again: if you criticize waterboarders, you will only create more waterboarding. Why not open a dialogue?
CIA chief admits waterboarding
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Again: if you criticize waterboarders, you will only create more waterboarding. Why not open a dialogue?
That's got NOTHING to do with our torturing detainees. Once someone is in our custody, we have a duty to treat them according to the law. The Bush administration broke the law, that much is clear. They also ruined any chance of prosecuting anyone using information obtained through torture.
That didn't have anything to do with terrorism. Just shows how deluded you are. By the way, we got alot of info from Saddam by treating him well.
Well, you said you support them in whatever they do. So you think if they do something it must be the right thing to do. Which basically gives them a ticket to do whatever they want.No. I support/trust them. Of course I don't support waterboarding anyone innocent. The demonic terrorists caught in the act are not innocent. We didn't just pick these guys up at the mosque.
Saddam didn't have anything to do with terrorism?
He was one of the worst terrorists in history. He brutalized his own people. We didn't get much out of Saddam. We already knew most of what he babbled about.
Like the fact he already destroyed his WMDs?
I would "try" solitary confinement, but it's still an effective psychological torture technique.
countezero
Registered Senior Member
Are you suggesting KSM wasn't behind 9/11?
Not true. The CIA has obtained useful information that has broken up plots through the waterboarding of select individuals. Anyone who assesses the merits of torture honestly — and by that, I mean without a preordained viewpoint or political objective — has to conclude that the verdict on the usefulness of torture is difficult to discern. There is numerous evidence it isn't effective, and numerous evidence — and in the case of the US, specific evidence — where it has been effective. So reaching an absolute position about it is difficult, if you're being honest in your judgments.
Useful or not, it's illegal.
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
I can find no information on Waterboarding being Illegal, the Senate has never passed a bill which is need to go with the House Bill to make it illegal.
January 21, 2008
Is There Waterboarding In Hell?
By Randall Hoven
John McCain promised to do "whatever is necessary" to get Osama bin Laden, including following him "to the gates of hell." Ever the one to provide specifics, he would find hell, apparently, by "improving our intelligence capability dramatically." . His claims are reminiscent of John Kerry's claim that he "would stop at nothing to find and kill the terrorists."
Um -- guys? If you're looking for the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks that killed three thousand people on US soil, we already have him. His name is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and he is, I think, at Guantanamo Bay right now. As I understand it, he was one of only three people we waterboarded. (I cannot be sure because the CIA does not keep me informed on these matters. Ask Nancy Pelosi for real details -- she was briefed .)
In KSM's case he gave up the "names and addresses of people who were involved with al Qaeda in this country and in Europe" as well as a plot to run an airliner into the Library Tower in Los Angeles In all, more than "a dozen al Qaeda plots to kill people were stopped because of the information they got from coerced interrogation."
Senator McCain is against waterboarding. He says it is torture and thus a war crime. And thanks to him, "there will no such thing as waterboarding" any more. It doesn't kill. It doesn't injure. It doesn't leave a mark. It's all over in a minute in most cases. It has been shown to provide information that has saved lives. And Congress, where Senator McCain serves, has never outlawed it, despite at least some members receiving classified briefings on it.
Nothing new. From a "Christian" nation. Yeah right...
"Torture Is an American Value: Reality vs. the Rhetoric"
(http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11238.htm)
Rotten to the core ...
"The US has used torture for decades. All that's new is the openness about it"
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1664174,00.html)
"Torture Is an American Value: Reality vs. the Rhetoric"
(http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11238.htm)
Rotten to the core ...
"The US has used torture for decades. All that's new is the openness about it"
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1664174,00.html)
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
That's right. Waterboarding isn't incidental to lawful sanctions.
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
So has every other nation on earth, when it become in the best interest of said nations the gloves come off.
England.
'The obscenity of H-blocks'
'THE SUNDAY PRESS' recently published the best, and certainly the most thorough, analysis of the H-block struggle and of the reasons why the 'blanket men' deserve political status yet to appear in an establishment newspaper.
The article entitled 'The obscenity of H-blocks' and subtitled 'Immediate issue is humanitarian' was by 'The Sunday Press' columnist Claud Gordon.
ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL H-BLOCK COMMITTEE
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WHEN Bishop Cahal Daly recently described the British Government's treatment of the H-Block prisoners as 'foolish', he was putting it mildly.
As the facts about the punishment regime being inflicted on a selected group of men in Long Kesh prison camp become more widely known, the policy behind it is likely to prove a miscalculation as damaging to Britain's international reputation, as was Bloody Sunday in Derry - not to mention the repeated scandals over police torture of political suspects.
Quite apart from the merit or otherwise of the demand by the men 'on the blanket' for special status, or for political status, one aspect of the story which must eventually stand to Britain's disgrace in the eyes of Europe and America is the apparently vindictive and retaliatory cruelty with which the prison authorities, acting under the political guidance of the government, responded to a protest which began simply as a refusal to wear prison clothes and do prison chores.
India
Long Oppressed People of Nagalim Expose Torture by India, Seek Voice for Freedom.
Publication: Business Wire
Date: Tuesday, May 30 2006
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The URL in the last graph should read http://www.nagalim.us/ (sted http://www.nagalim.nl/).
The corrected release reads:
LONG OPPRESSED PEOPLE OF NAGALIM EXPOSE TORTURE BY INDIA, SEEK VOICE FOR FREEDOM
Citizens of the People's Republic of Nagalim, a remote country of 4 million people, has been subjugated by India for more than 50 years and
has seen over 300,000 of its people brutally tortured and killed, according to honorary Ambassador Grace Collins. Today Nagalim for the first time appealed to the U.S. Government for help in reaching a peaceful resolution to their bid for freedom.
Iraq under Saddam
VIDEO: TORTURE AND BEHEADINGS: DURING SADDAM's REGIME - Benador ...
VIDEO: TORTURE AND BEHEADINGS: DURING SADDAM's REGIME - Benador Associates. ... Videos like the present one are to be found in the streets of Iraq. ...
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/6086
Moslems in Iraq:
Al-Qaeda tells British cells to carry out wave of beheadings ...
Feb 4, 2007 ... Al-Qaeda tells British cells to carry out wave of beheadings ... torture and beheading of Ken Bigley, a British engineer, in Iraq in 2004. ...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2583241,00.html
No, the gloves don't "come off". We are a civilized nation that is supposed to follow it's own laws.