Christianity’s Charter Document Missing

Leo Volont

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Christianity’s Charter Document Missing

In Acts Chapter 11 Paul takes a huge collection of money down to Jerusalem, and in Acts Chapter 15 he asks for a return on that favor. Paul had gone to Peter who had once before benefited from Paul’s actions – remember when Paul, then Saul, had murdered Stephen who had just recently been appointed to oversee the Treasury after Peter had stirred up dissent and murmurings of corruption when he murdered Ananias and Sapphira over money. Now, Paul, feeding money directly back to Peter, would bolster Peter’s declining influence in The Church. We have only to notice that it is James, not Peter, who is in charge of things in Acts 15, and so we know that Peter had certainly fallen from the Top, and the Gospels give us every indication that Peter was the kind of man who would want to scratch and claw his way back up again.

Anyway, what we are told in Acts 15 is that a separate Gentile Church is established, and that there are practically no restrictions placed on what it accepts as its Teachings and Doctrines. Then we are told a Letter is issued which supports this bazaar and sweeping assertion.

Okay, where is it? Why can’t anybody point to this Foundational Letter? But we can ask more than where it is. Why is it not quoted in detail?

There must be a modern assumption, that allows people to gloss over this 15th Chapter of Acts, that Ancient People must have been simple childlike idiots who had no sense for organization or details. Yet we can read “The Peloponnesian Wars” by Thucydides and see that the Ancient politician, statesman, or leader could be as complicated as any modern. Then the controversies of Doctrine which embattled the Church in its 2nd and 3rd Centuries could not have been entirely absent in its 1st Century, could they?

In this context, can we really believe that The Messianic Church of Jerusalem would give a completely free hand to a New Gentile Church with no restrictions except for Kosher and Marriage regulations. You would suspect that somewhere in that gathering, with the Holy Spirit having to whisper in somebody’s ear, that some sort of a Creed would have been specified in excruciating detail. And then, at the Organizational Level, some sort of a command structure or chain of loyalties established. This is what we might have found in that Charter Letter.

But that Letter disappears from History. It is not even quoted. After Acts 15 it is not even mentioned. Can we wonder why it is not preserved, or why Paul does not repeatedly cite it, being the source and directing document of all his Authority? Well, the answer here is that we can suppose that it did not say what it is purported to have said. Paul wanted a Separate Church but the actual Letter did not give him that. Paul wanted a Separate Doctrine and a Separate Gospel, but the Letter did not give him that. So Paul simply claimed he had a letter giving him a Free Hand in all things, and acted as though such a Letter existed. But actually, if such a Letter did exist, he probably decided to burn it because it could not have possibly said what he pretended it to say, and its discovery would have only undermined his ambitions and false doctrines.

There is one thing we can be sure of though, that if there ever was a Letter which authorized a New Dispensation of God to an Independent Gentile Church, somebody would have saved a copy.
 
Leo Volont: Christianity’s Charter Document Missing

In Acts Chapter 11 Paul takes a huge collection of money down to Jerusalem, and in Acts Chapter 15 he asks for a return on that favor. Paul had gone to Peter who had once before benefited from Paul’s actions – remember when Paul, then Saul, had murdered Stephen who had just recently been appointed to oversee the Treasury after Peter had stirred up dissent and murmurings of corruption when he murdered Ananias and Sapphira over money. Now, Paul, feeding money directly back to Peter, would bolster Peter’s declining influence in The Church. We have only to notice that it is James, not Peter, who is in charge of things in Acts 15, and so we know that Peter had certainly fallen from the Top, and the Gospels give us every indication that Peter was the kind of man who would want to scratch and claw his way back up again.
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M*W: As we both know, Paul was a common criminal. He stole from every church he visited. He murdered James and Stephen, and god only knows how many others met they doom with Paul. Paul was the antichrist Jesus spoke about in the Gnostic Gospels. Peter was right in there with him. He wasn't any better.
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Leo Volont: Anyway, what we are told in Acts 15 is that a separate Gentile Church is established, and that there are practically no restrictions placed on what it accepts as its Teachings and Doctrines. Then we are told a Letter is issued which supports this bazaar and sweeping assertion.
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M*W: Just like the Dead Sea Scrolls and the other "hidden" texts, Paul saw too it that they were burned or destroyed. There were those who did not fall under Paul's spell and hid the texts for posterity. Some say this was Judas Sicariote. I don't know.
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Leo Volont: Okay, where is it? Why can’t anybody point to this Foundational Letter? But we can ask more than where it is. Why is it not quoted in detail?
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M*W: Leo, as you should be aware by now, the new testament lies. It was written by lying liar. Of course, no "letter" will be found as it probably didn't even exist.
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Leo Volont: There must be a modern assumption, that allows people to gloss over this 15th Chapter of Acts, that Ancient People must have been simple childlike idiots who had no sense for organization or details. Yet we can read “The Peloponnesian Wars” by Thucydides and see that the Ancient politician, statesman, or leader could be as complicated as any modern. Then the controversies of Doctrine which embattled the Church in its 2nd and 3rd Centuries could not have been entirely absent in its 1st Century, could they?
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M*W: The Gnostic Gospels were mostly written in the first century while Jesus was alive. Then comes Paul some 20 years down the road having never even met Jesus. But Pauline christianity is what christians believe as gospel! There is no salvation in Pauline christianity! It's a farce!
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Leo Volont: In this context, can we really believe that The Messianic Church of Jerusalem would give a completely free hand to a New Gentile Church with no restrictions except for Kosher and Marriage regulations. You would suspect that somewhere in that gathering, with the Holy Spirit having to whisper in somebody’s ear, that some sort of a Creed would have been specified in excruciating detail. And then, at the Organizational Level, some sort of a command structure or chain of loyalties established. This is what we might have found in that Charter Letter.
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M*W: Well, the Nicene Creed came about in the late 300s AD, but that was long after Jesus walked the earth. By this time, the churchship was quite profitable. Now, really, who in their right mind could turn down easy money? Both Peter and Paul got what they deserved, and the early church fathers created a money-making business. Who can fault them for that? It's just these christians, you know, who believe what they want to believe without substance of fact.
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Leo Volont: But that Letter disappears from History. It is not even quoted. After Acts 15 it is not even mentioned. Can we wonder why it is not preserved, or why Paul does not repeatedly cite it, being the source and directing document of all his Authority? Well, the answer here is that we can suppose that it did not say what it is purported to have said. Paul wanted a Separate Church but the actual Letter did not give him that. Paul wanted a Separate Doctrine and a Separate Gospel, but the Letter did not give him that. So Paul simply claimed he had a letter giving him a Free Hand in all things, and acted as though such a Letter existed. But actually, if such a Letter did exist, he probably decided to burn it because it could not have possibly said what he pretended it to say, and its discovery would have only undermined his ambitions and false doctrines.
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M*W: As you know, Paul was the worst liar in history. Need I say more?
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Leo Volont: There is one thing we can be sure of though, that if there ever was a Letter which authorized a New Dispensation of God to an Independent Gentile Church, somebody would have saved a copy.
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M*W: It probably didn't exist. How can that many people be wrong? How can christianity even exist? How can intelligent people continue to believe the lie?
 
Leo Volont, you have an interesting interpretation about that section of acts. However, it isn't one that is shared by all. In my, to be honest, brief research into this question, I came across two separate articles, concerning the same passage, written for very different reasons, but are congruent concerning the nature of the document in question.

The first,

http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/acts/decree1.htm

is actually writing concerning the literary context of the passage. The first thesis of which states that the document in question "is given not as steps required for salvation, but in context of gentiles already being in the people of God." The fourth and final thesis states "that the four prohibitions of the decree were idolatrous practices that gentiles should avoid."

Likewise, the second essay,

http://www.wheaton.edu/DistanceLearning/Jer-coun.htm

Concurs with the theses of the first in stating that,

"The wording of the letter communicating the Council's decision is instructive regarding the purpose of the "decrees." They are described as "these necessary things" (toutwn twn epanagkeV) but without any indication for what they are necessary (vs 28). After listing the decrees vs 29 simply stated, "If you keep yourselves from these you will do well (eu praxete)." They are not of the essence of Christian salvation, but rather speak to the order of the Church."

As a document outlining necessary steps for that specific church, or that specific set of gentiles to reach salvation, and not the church as a whole, and therefore not outlining the credo of the Church, I'd hardly call it a charter. Furthermore, it may be significant as a document to that particular church (who received it), or group of people, but concerning the Church as a whole, it would not have been an excessively important article. Hence, why it is neither quoted in detail, nor preserved in antiquity.

Your interpretation may certainly have value, don't get me wrong, who knows really. However, I personally find consider this explanation much more likely. It is less speculative than your presentation of events.
 
"Peter had stirred up dissent and murmurings of corruption when he murdered Ananias and Sapphira over money"

This comment alone exhibits your lack of sight regarding the early Church. Read it again.
 
The Bible is not to be taken literally!

To even bother with this clap-trap is to regress to fifteenth century Christianity. This is also a very big problem with Islam and the Qur'an.
 
Exactly, well said itopal!!!

Actually it's been proven that Aesops fables and the Bible were written by the same persons.,,, did u guys know that?

Just kidding,... Faith in Christianity does have the power to make someone a better person, but so does faith in other beliefs.. So as long as you are not hurting others and doing good for other humans,... enjoy life, and keep searching for the ultimate truth.. It'll only make our brief life more interesting..

Heck why don't we make up our own stories/bible so that people 20 million years from now will be debating over the confusing books we wrote! Haha

Keep up the good posts,.. I enjoy this site.
 
ejmjensen said:
"Peter had stirred up dissent and murmurings of corruption when he murdered Ananias and Sapphira over money"

This comment alone exhibits your lack of sight regarding the early Church. Read it again.

Maybe you need to read about Al Capone and the Chicago Mob to better understand what Peter was up to. Or do you approve of Peter having murdered people during a shakedown operation?

How many times do I have to read Acts until I no longer notice that in the Chapter after Peter murders people for money, the Congregation's Laity demands that a new Leadership be elected? Then how many times to I have to read Acts before I notice that the New Leader, who eclipses Peter, is murdered by Paul who is later sponsored by Peter. Or do you suppose this murderous alliance is a mere coincidence?
 
Leo Volont: How many times do I have to read Acts until I no longer notice that in the Chapter after Peter murders people for money, the Congregation's Laity demands that a new Leadership be elected? Then how many times to I have to read Acts before I notice that the New Leader, who eclipses Peter, is murdered by Paul who is later sponsored by Peter. Or do you suppose this murderous alliance is a mere coincidence?
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M*W: The Acts chronicled the 30 or so years of church doings from 33 AD to about 62 AD. Interestingly, The Acts ends abruptly around 62 AD, although this date could be variable. Luke was supposed to have written The Acts, but the date the book abruptly ended is the very date that Paul was arrested (for the last time) in Rome. Now, there is no record of Luke being in Rome.

Some christians say that The Acts is a "continuation of the Gospel of Luke," but this is impossible. The Acts were written before the Gospels by give or take ten years.

While Peter and Paul were in Rome (if not before Rome), Paul turned on Peter. I don't know where the scripture is, but Paul refers to Peter defamingly. It was through Paul's evil doings that got Peter crucified. Peter had actually walked with Jesus when he was alive, but Peter betrayed Jesus worse than Judas did! Peter tried to destroy Jesus's good name and his relationships with others. When Peter joined Paul, he totally rejected Jesus, but he realized that what Paul was preaching was not the truth about Jesus. Peter wanted to be crucified upside down to alert people that the christianity Paul preached was evil. The upside down crucifix is the "X" formation, or the St. Andrew Cross. Legs would be spread on the upper portion of the "X," and arms would be spread on the lower portion. The upside down cross also stands today as something more diabolical like Paul's christianity.
 
M*W: Addendum: I wanted to point out that Paul was beheaded circa 62 AD, and Peter was crucified circa 62-65 AD. Both Peter and Paul were dead prior to the Gospels being written. However, Paul's epistles were the influencing texts for the Gospel writers. M,M,L&J were probably not been written by those named. The Gospel of John and Revelations are of the same visionary style, and current biblical scholars are attributing these two texts to Mary Magdalen.

M*W: The Acts chronicled the 30 or so years of church doings from 33 AD to about 62 AD. Interestingly, The Acts ends abruptly around 62 AD, although this date could be variable. Luke was supposed to have written The Acts, but the date the book abruptly ended is the very date that Paul was arrested (for the last time) in Rome. Now, there is no record of Luke being in Rome.

Some christians say that The Acts is a "continuation of the Gospel of Luke," but this is impossible. The Acts were written before the Gospels by give or take ten years.

While Peter and Paul were in Rome (if not before Rome), Paul turned on Peter. I don't know where the scripture is, but Paul refers to Peter defamingly. It was through Paul's evil doings that got Peter crucified. Peter had actually walked with Jesus when he was alive, but Peter betrayed Jesus worse than Judas did! Peter tried to destroy Jesus's good name and his relationships with others. When Peter joined Paul, he totally rejected Jesus, but he realized that what Paul was preaching was not the truth about Jesus. Peter wanted to be crucified upside down to alert people that the christianity Paul preached was evil. The upside down crucifix is the "X" formation, or the St. Andrew Cross. Legs would be spread on the upper portion of the "X," and arms would be spread on the lower portion. The upside down cross also stands today as something more diabolical like Paul's christianity.[/QUOTE]
 
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