Christchurch video...

[RainbowSingularity]

The video is tied in with global politics

sex trafficking of children is not tied to global political moral equity ?

im confused

explain how applying the word "tied" and "global politics" removes all need for human values and validates the psychopath while removing all rights of the victim...

A pet peeve I have is people trying to limit my access to information.

your implied right to own the victims rights... ?

 

[Beer w/Straw]

sex trafficking of children is not tied to global political moral equity ?

im confused

explain how applying the word "tied" and "global politics" removes all need for human values and validates the psychopath while removing all rights of the victim...



your implied right to own the victims rights... ?

Anyway, someone couldn't use the phrase "Lest we forget" if they weren't conscious of the event in the first place.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

sticky label morality

you can just pick off the morality from the human(person/victim) value and then apply it to anything you like(inanimately).
with complete disregard for the victim... is this psychopathic or narcissistic ?

while exclaiming a right to have rights over others...

is that superseded by your right to have access to the internet ?
is that a right you claim above other peoples rights to privacy ?

when you say your rights exceed the rights of others, what right are you claiming ?

when you do this you assert the moral equity of might is right.
whom ever has the most power has moral superiority.

ask yourself, how does this balance out against my true feelings and beleifs ?
am i just enacting a process of transferance because i cant or dont want to deal with the real human feelings at the moment ?

thats not un-normal ... its quite common ... it is a coping mechanism
thats ok
but if you start a debate on equalizing your right above the rights of others then you need to ask yourself if you lay claim to any "human rights" to begin with.

what is your assumed base line ?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Anyway, someone couldn't use the phrase "Lest we forget" if they weren't conscious of the event in the first place.

censorship Vs restriction of information Vs private ownership of all news channels Vs group agreement of assumed human rights...

when you mention WW1
do you exclude the agreements made from collective agreement at the end and result of WW2 ?

do you assume to have a right "not to care" about others ?
ponder that for a moment and how that relates to how people agree to live and interact in groups/society.

Anyway

looking for an out...

you mean "moral equity" ?
excellent point !

refer back to my post about underage porn actors having no right to privacy because others assert a right to access and hold their content.

an aversion to examine the facts because you find it awkwardly upsetting so you attempt to re-define the nature of the morality ...

start by defining your morality.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

sticky label morality

you can just pick off the morality from the human(person/victim) value and then apply it to anything you like(inanimately).
with complete disregard for the victim... is this psychopathic or narcissistic ?

while exclaiming a right to have rights over others...

is that superseded by your right to have access to the internet ?
is that a right you claim above other peoples rights to privacy ?

when you say your rights exceed the rights of others, what right are you claiming ?

when you do this you assert the moral equity of might is right.
whom ever has the most power has moral superiority.

ask yourself, how does this balance out against my true feelings and beleifs ?
am i just enacting a process of transferance because i cant or dont want to deal with the real human feelings at the moment ?

thats not un-normal ... its quite common ... it is a coping mechanism
thats ok
but if you start a debate on equalizing your right above the rights of others then you need to ask yourself if you lay claim to any "human rights" to begin with.

what is your assumed base line ?

I never said my rights exceed those of others, I said this:

A pet peeve I have is people trying to limit my access to information.

And you attached whatever meaning you wanted to it.

Also, you said this to Dave:

and so here in lies the real question...
if it was 2, 12 year olds having sex on video like some porn movie.
would people be still demanding it be allowed to be accessed ?

is the right to privacy not equal to the victim ?

Which was really disgusting. Making me not want to even try to understand your mindset.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

refer back to my post about underage porn actors having no right to privacy because others assert a right to access and hold their content.

How fucked up are you?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

How fucked up are you?

Which was really disgusting. Making me not want to even try to understand your mindset.

now your commenting on your own morality

you just realised how messed up it is and your struggling with trying to blame someone else for your own feelings instead of owning it and moving on.

this is your thread

 

[Beer w/Straw]

now your commenting on your own morality

you just realised how messed up it is and your struggling with trying to blame someone else for your own feelings instead of owning it and moving on.

this is your thread

Uh, no. You're struggling with your own straw man argument.

Since you started out today not making sense and then got disgusting you're lucky I even bothered paying attention to you.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Uh, no. You're struggling with your own straw man argument.

nothing strawman about it
you think your right to access the information over rides the rights of the victims.
its that simple

 

[Beer w/Straw]

nothing strawman about it
you think your right to access the information over rides the rights of the victims.
its that simple

What rights do the victims have?

If it was filmed in a public place with an iphone is it legal footage as compared to being in a mosque itself? Are the survivors violating the victims rights by reciting the the terrorist attack to reporters? Do legal technicalities like this, say, vary from country to country?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

If it was filmed in a public place

if the child porn was filmed in public

with an iphone

with a cell phone

is it legal footage

is it legal ?

now you are engaging in the strawman to try and sell your own rights over the rights of the victims like a slave master tells its slaves what to do.

survivors

?
who is sick and twisted ?
are you a survivor ?
so does that mean you own the rights to the video of the little children being raped or murdered ?

who is accountable for the lifes of the raped or murdered children ?

the state !
the government owns their rights to protect them as best they can
that includes their privacy
regardless of them being alive or dead murder victim or rape & murder victim
Regardless of it being in a private property, commercial property or public or government property.

you want to validate your voyeurism of rape & murder of men women & children by asserting the rights of the victims to be the same rights as yours.

dont get me wrong here. i am well aware that hundreds of thousands of people who claim to be good upright moral citizens would have willingly chosen to watch the video.

is that any different to them watching a snuff rape movie of children ?

to them it is because they have already morally judged the rights of the victims and their rights to be ignorant of morality as they define it.

regardless of what people want to say, there is a sadist, psychopath in every human.
it is part of what makes humans humans.

do you think the same people would seek to punish an adult for watching underage porn as they would for watching children get murdered on video ?

i am totally ok with you trying to find some way to explain away your desire to watch people get murdered.
that is something that is normalized in just about ever single human.

do i agree with it as a moral position of authority ?
no
i think authority needs to maintain a clear message and clear control over things like slavery, war, murder, torture, rape.

how far is it to fall if you always define your equals to be below you ?

 

[Beer w/Straw]

if the child porn was filmed in public

I never talked about child porn. That is your straw man.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

I never talked about child porn. That is your straw man.

clearly you are incapable of moral equity which defines you as not having any moral base line.

certainly not in the 3rd person
only when it comes to yourself
the narcissist
you are clearly not a sociopath

 

[Beer w/Straw]

clearly you are incapable of moral equity which defines you as not having any moral base line.

certainly not in the 3rd person
only when it comes to yourself
the narcissist

Get someone else to agree with you and maybe the combined efforts would warrant more of my attention.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Get someone else to agree with you and maybe the combined efforts would warrant more of my attention.

you want to buy a vowel & phone a friend

Which was really disgusting. Making me not want to even try to understand your mindset.

How fucked up are you?

yet here you clearly show you are applying your own morals as if they are what others should be following.

knowingly disregarding social rules is not a sociopath. it is either a psychopath or narcissist.
being forced to obey someones censorship is what you are complaining about.
you feel you should not be censored.
yet you think suddenly ...

Which was really disgusting. Making me not want to even try to understand your mindset.

you want to apply your own morality as if it is everyone else's.
purely because it serves you.

you have already judged and disregarded the rights of the victims against your own projected rights to not be censored in your attainment of video nasties/murder/death/kill/rape.

how do people pre judge the rights of an animal they want to kill and eat ?
equally suffer in what ever form they choose.

do the same people who sought out the video(or feigned ignorance to position themselves as a victim and excuse themselves from being a voyeur to rape(?) & murder say to themselves
"do i need to watch underage porn?"/(rape?)
"do i need to watch people get murdered?"/(Tortured?)

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the irony is not lost on me that those who would label western civilisation as being cruel and hedonistic should seek to indulge themselves like a drug addict(grief & trauma) into such media and allow it to become its own reality of a driving force of obedient compliance devoid of their own moral religious ideology and free thinking.

whats next ?
a rebel navy sinking refugee ships in the Mediterranean in gods name ?

 

[Beer w/Straw]

And I'm talking about one news worthy video. It shows a reality of the times we live in. Sure, may be for mature audiences but you can't conclusively tell me it violates anyone's rights to show it or that it is not to be protected under freedom of speech.

You can, however, submit to misinformation about it. Hey, you can also be a holocaust denier while you're at it.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

you can't conclusively tell me it violates anyone's rights to show it or that it is not to be protected under freedom of speech.

yes i can

you throw in

freedom of speech.

at the end to try and taint the argument.

And I'm talking about

do you think i don't notice your vain attempts to change the subject ?

all i see is a narcissist trying to justify their own voyeurism, ready to throw anything under the buss to validate your own desires and wants.
adding the alt-right dog whistles of

freedom of speech.

holocaust denier

to try and change the subject into some type of antisemitism debate shows you are really out of your depth.

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[billvon]

You can, however, submit to misinformation about it. Hey, you can also be a holocaust denier while you're at it.

There's a bit of a difference there.

If a university finds a previously-unreleased video that shows a close up of a 10 year old slowly suffocating in a Nazi gas chamber, saying "it should probably not be released by the university" does not make you a holocaust denier. It makes you human.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

note to the readers
those who have watched the video , are not
evil or a pervert

there is parts of the human mind that is attracted to weird things
the human mind is very weird

note : watching such things can(and do regularly trigger & ) traumatise you(people by the thousands all around the world every year)
it can trigger emotional disorders
subconscious issues
cause PTSD and various other phobias to kick in, is a big cause(transference) of domestic abuse & child abuse.

seek a nationally accredited registered mental health professional to talk to about things.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

There's a bit of a difference there.

If a university finds a previously-unreleased video that shows a close up of a 10 year old slowly suffocating in a Nazi gas chamber, saying "it should probably not be released by the university" does not make you a holocaust denier. It makes you human.

Probably every major news organization has the video by default, but wont show it. I would imagine, in part, they would lose credibility because I'm sure the shooter would want it to inspire other like killings.

However, this is the internet and I've come across a myriad of hate mongering comments, conspiracy theories and misinformation about it. Potentially this could incite more violence as it could leave the death toll to a mere inhuman abstract number without seeing what actually happened.

Yet, I got called "out of my depth" by someone whom could really have no basis to make a knowledge judgement about the incident itself?

I never endorsed watching the video, I only mentioned ThePirateBay (Windows, movies, academic software...) Not a university or major news network

No children were in the video.