Chinese Scholar Yang Jian liang Putting Wrongs to Rights in Astrophysics

[Xelasnave.1947]

I read the op and to be honest I dont follow it at all...but I did read it.

I have been chatting with Paddoboy and asserted the Big Bang was religion trying to come in the back door...so what if there was no big bang that would muck things up for you I expect.
Does Yang have any utube vids?
I recall seeing a Chinese guy presenting arguements against GR or the Big Bang I am not sure but he was somewhat convincing and to a mug like me sounded rather good...but its not about impressing me unfortunately.

Anyways you avoided my question as to you being a creationist and if you accept evolution as science...I mean I can handle folk wanting to be the next Eeiiinstein but not wanting to be the next pope☺
So you accept the big bang I gather?
Alex

 

[heyuhua]

If it makes you happy I have days where I think that or similar because the notion of dark matter certainly does not appeal but the problem becomes that GR has proved correct all the time ...because as you must know it only takes one mistake and a model gets thrown in the bin.

So we need to trust GR until something better comes along... maybe your mate has something and if he does he will win...but not right away...getting a new model established could be seen like being a fighter who starts with small fights proves himself again and again until he can fight for the championship.

You do him some damage in so far as when something is pointed out as valid observational evidence it seems you reject it if it does not fit the plan.

Saying gallaxies dont merge is like coming inside wringing wet and saying its not raining... really...its these little things that not only errodes your credibility but that of the idea you are presenting.

I must read what the op actually says..I might agree☺ I only jumped in because you were making a claim that really does go against the observations...mergers are real it seems.

Alex

yes, the dark matter and dark energy were indeed GR's failure, so Yang decided to revise the gravitational field equation. The modified field equation not only includes all the correct conclusions of the original field equation, but also avoids its deficiency, which is the significant development and contribution of Yang to GR. The modified field equation preserves the simplicity and elegance of the original equation and no longer requires the artificial introduction of dark matter and dark energy， so it's more logical.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

yes, the dark matter and dark energy were indeed GR's failure,

Now I did not say that at all.
You show a propensity to interprete things to suit yourself...I will not say what I did say as what I said is there for all to see....and I did mention we have GR because of its sucesses.

Your avoidance of my questions now has a count of two failures to reply I wont ask again.

Your distortion of my comment and your avoidance of an answer means I shall not engage further with you.
Alex

 

[paddoboy]

In fact, there has been a serious confrontation between mainstream theory and observation.In order to overcome this contradiction, mainstream theory had to invent something that doesn't exist to solve its difficulties, for example, dark matter and dark energy were born in this context. In fact, what one should really do is to modify the existing theory, not to introduce something that doesn't exist at will to cover up the shortcomings or mistakes of the existing theory. To do so is to mislead further research and create directional errors. The main weakness or error of mainstream theory of galaxy formation is that it can't explain all the observational facts in a consistent way，new assumptions must be constantly introduced ，which seriously destroys the logic of the theory.

Yang's new theory does not have these drawbacks. Although there is negative pressure to raise in Yang's theory, it is the solution of the modified gravitational field equation rather than the random introduction.So the negative pressure doesn't break logic

Yang, nor you do not have any scientific theory......nor an hypothesis, as this is in pseudoscience as it should be and aligns with the thread title of putting wrongs [yang's and heyuhea nonsense] to rights. [Newtonian and GR physics]
Otherwise your above summary is excellent and should hold pride of place in any children's Library, and up there with the Grimm Brothers, and Hans Christian Anderson for Imagination.

 

[paddoboy]

yes, the dark matter and dark energy were indeed GR's failure, so Yang decided to revise the gravitational field equation. .

Jesus Yang was wrong as indeed are you. GR does not conflict with either DE or DM. The evidence for DM is strong and includes the Bullet Cluster anomaly
https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/dark-matter-uncovered

The evidence for DE is also strong.....
https://www.universetoday.com/119363/how-do-we-know-dark-energy-exists/

You actually now sound like some religious nut in installing your "god of the gaps"in areas of cosmology where complete knowledge and direct observation is still lacking. Guess what? You again fail.

 

[DaveC426913]

Even if a galaxy looks coming toward us, it does not mean that their average distance from us is decreasing. Like the moon, sometimes it's closer to us and sometimes farther away from us（Perigee and Apogee）, but in the long run, the moon is still away from us, namely 4 cm goes backward a year.

You can think, if galaxies are gradually merged, then each galaxy goes through at least one merger, and the merger in the universe will be dominant,

Oh my god stop.

None of this is part of Yang's theory. You have no clue about cosmology; you're making stuff up.

By touting Yang's theory, you are his worst enemy because, by association, you are making him look like a crank.

If you want him to succeed, truly, the best thing you can do is never mention his name again.

 

[DaveC426913]

Yang, nor you do not have any scientific theory....

Who knows? Yang might actually have a theory.

But we sure won't find out from heyuhua. He is Yang's worst enemy.

heyuhua appears unable to distinguish between Yang's theory and his own ideas. Since heyuhua is demonstrably ignorant of cosmology, every word he speaks shoots Yang in the foot.

 

[NotEinstein]

well, you should realize that the continuous expansion of space is essentially the continuous creation of space. If you admit the expansion of space, there is no reason to reject the continuous creation of matter, because matter and space are unified, and since the universe is able to make space, it is able to make matte，and isn't the constant creation of space in the universe to offer place for new matter?

Please provide evidence that they are unified.

Besides, the common law of conservation of energy is established without considering the expansion of space.，

Please provide proof for this claim.

and once the expansion of space is considered, it is also natural that some modification of the law of conservation is necessary. Yang's theory does not violate the law of conservation of energy, even though matter is created continuously. The increase in the mass of objects or galaxies meets dm + pdv=0, which is exactly the first law of thermodynamics after neglecting heat exchange，namely conservation of energy, and obviously, when p is negative, an increase in the volume of a celestial body means an increase in mass. To be exact, Yang's theory extends the original law of conservation of energy to a higher level, including the effect of space-time expansion.

If you look up "zero-energy universe", you'll find that there are mainstream hypotheses that do this too. Your ignorance of science is showing.

 

[heyuhua]

Jesus Yang was wrong as indeed are you. GR does not conflict with either DE or DM. The evidence for DM is strong and includes the Bullet Cluster anomaly
https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/dark-matter-uncovered

The evidence for DE is also strong.....
https://www.universetoday.com/119363/how-do-we-know-dark-energy-exists/

You actually now sound like some religious nut in installing your "god of the gaps"in areas of cosmology where complete knowledge and direct observation is still lacking. Guess what? You again fail.

Isn't dark energy and dark matter the emperor's new suit of modern version? Is there any reason to prove that they are not the contemporary etheric? Did anyone actually see them? Isn't the introduction of dark matter and dark energy intended to mask the shortcomings of existing theories?

I know you're a hired person by vested interests, Don't turn black for white
In Yang's theory, there is no need for this exotic magic cloth to cover up the shortcomings of theory，the negative pressure plays the dual role of dark matter and dark energy，and the important thing is that this negative pressure can be solved by using the field equation, rather than artificially introduced, which is obviously logically rigorous.。

 

[DaveC426913]

In Yang's theory, there is no need for this exotic magic cloth to cover up the shortcomings of theory

That's a pity for Yang then, because, more and more, Dark Matter is being observed.

Look up the bullet cluster.

Scientists have been getting better and better at imaging DM through weak gravitational lensing.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/05/dark-matter-filaments-gravitational-lensing_n_1650774.html

 

[heyuhua]

Please provide evidence that they are unified.


Please provide proof for this claim.


If you look up "zero-energy universe", you'll find that there are mainstream hypotheses that do this too. Your ignorance of science is showing.

The evidence has already buried you, but you can't see, and even if you saw it, you deliberately said you didn't. You're unreasonable，and I said long ago that the hired person is the saboteur or hooligan

 

[NotEinstein]

The evidence has already buried you,

So you would have no trouble linking to it, right?

but you can't see,

I indeed can't; that's why I'm asking you where it is.

and even if you saw it,

Highly doubtful, taking into account your track record.

you deliberately said you didn't.

Awww, am I being a meany-pants? Well, feel free to contact the moderation staff.

You're unreasonable，

Hold that thought; let's see who's the more unreasonable person of us two.

and I said long ago that the hired person is the saboteur or hooligan

Well, I think I found the most unreasonable one of us.

And would you please contact your bullies; I haven't received my payment yet.

 

[heyuhua]

That's a pity for Yang then, because, more and more, Dark Matter is being observed.

Look up the bullet cluster.

Scientists have been getting better and better at imaging DM through weak gravitational lensing.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/05/dark-matter-filaments-gravitational-lensing_n_1650774.html

In Yang's theory, there is no need for this exotic magic cloth to cover up the shortcomings of theory，the negative pressure plays the dual role of dark matter and dark energy，and the important thing is that this negative pressure can be solved by using the field equation, rather than artificially introduced, which is obviously logically rigorous.

The essence of dark matter is mass missing, so long as the problem of mass missing can be explained, dark matter can be solved. Dark energy is introduced to explain relation between distance and redshift. In Yang's theory, the solved negative pressure plays a dual role as dark energy and dark matter, and no special introduction required
In fact, there has never been a discovery of dark matter or dark energy independent of matter. This fully shows that the so-called dark matter and dark energy is an nature of ordinary matter.It's perfectly reasonable to classify them as negative pressure.

 

[DaveC426913]

In Yang's theory, there is no need for this exotic magic cloth to cover up the shortcomings of theory，

Good. Then it can explain the bullet cluster and the invisible tendrils in the above images.

Explain away.

The essence of dark matter is mass missing,

No it isn't.
Another error on your part.

DM is mass present, where we don't see anything massive.

 

[paddoboy]

Isn't dark energy and dark matter the emperor's new suit of modern version? Is there any reason to prove that they are not the contemporary etheric? Did anyone actually see them? Isn't the introduction of dark matter and dark energy intended to mask the shortcomings of existing theories?

I've given you the evidence for both, including the "Bullet cluster"anomaly pointing to DM. It is dishonest and childishly obtuse to keep on ignoring that data which refutes your ridiculous claims.

I know you're a hired person by vested interests, Don't turn black for white
In Yang's theory, there is no need for this exotic magic cloth to cover up the shortcomings of theory，the negative pressure plays the dual role of dark matter and dark energy，and the important thing is that this negative pressure can be solved by using the field equation, rather than artificially introduced, which is obviously logically rigorous.。

I understand how angry you are with your nonsense being continually shown to be invalidated, but to claim I'm a hired person just reflects on the stupidity of your posts and your stubborness and childish like accusations, along with your continuation of your apparent "god of the gaps" like argument re the gaps in science. Science does not know everything yet, but it has an infinitely better handle on cosmology then you ever did or ever will.

 

[paddoboy]

The evidence has already buried you, but you can't see, and even if you saw it, you deliberately said you didn't. You're unreasonable，and I said long ago that the hired person is the saboteur or hooligan

There is no evidence of your claims to bury anyone! zilch, nada, none! and acting so obtusely and pretending there is, is totally dishonest...

 

[heyuhua]

There is no evidence of your claims to bury anyone! zilch, nada, none! and acting so obtusely and pretending there is, is totally dishonest...

To disturb or entangle.

 

[heyuhua]

1+1=？

 

[heyuhua]

You can't stop the progress of science. The mainstream must be replaced by the non-mainstream. In the field of astrophysics, only Yang's theory is the most advanced.

 

[heyuhua]

Good. Then it can explain the bullet cluster and the invisible tendrils in the above images.

Explain away.


No it isn't.
Another error on your part.

DM is mass present, where we don't see anything massive.

Yang's theory not only naturally explains all the observed phenomena, but there are a lot of predictions such as an increase of 9 meters a year in the distance between the sun and the earth，and the radius of the earth increases by 0.5 mm a year, 400 million years ago, the atmospheric pressure was half what it is today，400 million years ago, the Earth's average temperature was - 40 degrees，and the sun is only 1/10 as bright as it is today