Chinese Scholar Yang Jian liang Putting Wrongs to Rights in Astrophysics

heyuhua said:
Do you know how far tide can pull the moon back in a year? I'm telling you,

The increase in the distance between the sun and the earth can only be explained by Hubble expansion, because the tides make the Earth's orbit smaller, not larger.
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Nonsense...The Hubble expansion has nothing to do with local tidal gravitational effects, with regards to the Earth/Moon system, and the Earth/Sun system, which are fully adequately explained.
heyuhua said:
There is no fuss about this. The history of science tells us that any new theory will be attacked, ridiculed, and even persecuted by reactionary forces when it first emerges. The more revolutionary the theory, the easier it is to be blocked，which is already an open secret.
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You do not have a theory. Your claims are a conglomeration of total nonsense brought on by your own ignorance and your refusal to listen to what others are trying to tell you.
While they may have laughed at Galileo, they also laughed at Bozo the clown. Guess what? You ain't any Galileo. :p
 
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paddoboy said:
Nonsense...The Hubble expansion has nothing to do with local tidal gravitational effects, with regards to the Earth/Moon system, and the Earth/Sun system, which are fully adequately explained.


You do not have a theory. Your claims are a conglomeration of total nonsense brought on by your own ignorance and your refusal to listen to what others are trying to tell you.
While they may have laughed at Galileo, they also laughed at Bozo the clown. Guess what? You ain't any Galileo. :p
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You can slander and slander, but what you say doesn't work. Science is always going to progress. It's not your kind of garbage that can stop it. I believe that countless people will gradually accept Yang's new theory。

I'm sober. the kind of you are not scholar at all. You're just a fifty-cent party hired by vested interest groups, specialized in undermining new ideas and interfering netizens to form the new common knowledge , and defending the status quo, you can get a bonus from vested interest groups, despicable little men
 
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heyuhua said:
You can slander and slander, but what you say doesn't work
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Pointing out fact is not really slander.
And you ignore the facts I present I notice but you know that ignoring them will not make them go away.

Gallaxies merge and we have observations to that effect with our own gallaxy...it has been thru various mergers and to say otherwise or rather to just ignore same must tell you that you are not being honest with yourself.

I really think your determination to ignore mainstream science prevents you being rational, and your little dummy spit just now shows your emotional involvement in a predetermined position leaves you open to valid critism...its like you are sticking your chin out and saying hit me hit me.

Further M31 is coming our way so tell me why should we expect that it wont merge with the Milky Way...oh hang on it just dawned on my..you probably have no idea that M31 is a gallaxy...its next door only 2 million light years away...a mere cosmological stones throw...and interestingly it can be seen with the naked eye...so you can tell folk you have great vision with a range of 2 million light years☺
So we do know its (M31) coming our way and not rushing away like the Moon...how do you fit that fact in your non fact world.

One thing you mentioned is this Earth growing thing...I heard someone say that the world was smaller in the past and that is why the dinosaurs were so big..less gravity...what do you think?
Alex
 
DaveC426913 said:
No. It's based on actual science.

Even you must acknowledge that it was uneven. If it were not distributed unevenly, no galaxies, no stars and no humans would ever have formed in the first place. Every atom in the universe would be the same distance apart and expanding uniformly. That is not what we see.
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"If it were not distributed unevenly, no galaxies, no stars and no humans would ever have formed in the first place. Every atom in the universe would be the same distance apart and expanding uniformly. That is not what we see"

This description is vague, and you can't clearly deduce the disk structure of the Milky way from this early state, because this evolution is against the second law of thermodynamics. The second law of thermodynamics telle us that all natural processes range from ordered mechanical motion to disordered thermal motion. whereas the mainstream theory of galaxy formation is a process from disordered thermal motion to ordered mechanical motion, which is obviously contrary to the second law of thermodynamics.

There is no such contradiction in Yang's theory. In Yang's theory, any galaxy or celestial body meets TdS=dM+PdV=0, so dS=0, which means that the entropy of any galaxy or celestial body remains unchanged, even if its mass and volume are increasing （In Yang's theory pressure P is negative）.Therefore, the evolution of Yang's galaxy is an isentropic process which obeys the law of thermodynamics
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
Pointing out fact is not really slander.
And you ignore the facts I present I notice but you know what ignoring them will not make them go away.
Gallaxies merge and we have observations to that effect with our own gallaxy...it has been thru various mergers and to say otherwise or rather to just ignore same must tell you that you are not being honest with yourself.

I really think your determination to ignore mainstream science prevents you being rational, and your little dummy spit just now shows your emotional involvement in a predetermined position leaves you open to valid critism...its like you are sticking your chin out and saying hit me hit me.
Further M31 is coming our way so tell me why should we expect that it wont merge with the Milky Way...oh hang on it just dawned on my..you probably have no idea that M31 is a gallaxy...its next door only 2 million light years away...a mere cosmological stones throw...
So we do know its coming our way and not rushing away like the Moon...how do you fit that fact in your non fact world.

One thing you mentioned is this Earth growing thing...I heard someone day that the world was smaller in the past and that is why the dinosaurs were so big..less gravity...what do you think?
Alex
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It is impossible to point out the true facts for the fifty-cent parties who are employed by interest groups. Their purpose is to deliberately interfere with the netizens to form a new common understanding, they've been slandering, they don't want to listen to me at all,
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
.I heard someone say that the world was smaller in the past and that is why the dinosaurs were so big..less gravity...what do you think?
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I thought the Earth was putting on weight (mass for the technical - as we all know Earth is weighless) because of the cosmic dust Earth collects each day

:)
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
Pointing out fact is not really slander.
And you ignore the facts I present I notice but you know that ignoring them will not make them go away.

Gallaxies merge and we have observations to that effect with our own gallaxy...it has been thru various mergers and to say otherwise or rather to just ignore same must tell you that you are not being honest with yourself.

I really think your determination to ignore mainstream science prevents you being rational, and your little dummy spit just now shows your emotional involvement in a predetermined position leaves you open to valid critism...its like you are sticking your chin out and saying hit me hit me.

Further M31 is coming our way so tell me why should we expect that it wont merge with the Milky Way...oh hang on it just dawned on my..you probably have no idea that M31 is a gallaxy...its next door only 2 million light years away...a mere cosmological stones throw...and interestingly it can be seen with the naked eye...so you can tell folk you have great vision with a range of 2 million light years☺
So we do know its (M31) coming our way and not rushing away like the Moon...how do you fit that fact in your non fact world.

One thing you mentioned is this Earth growing thing...I heard someone say that the world was smaller in the past and that is why the dinosaurs were so big..less gravity...what do you think?
Alex
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"Gallaxies merge and we have observations to that effect with our own gallaxy...it has been thru various mergers and to say otherwise or rather to just ignore same must tell you that you are not being honest with yourself."

I've already said that no one has seen a real merger so far. The photographs they provided do not prove that galaxies must be coming nearer, but, on the contrary, they can also be interpreted as the galaxies are dispersing, after all, those pictures are static, not moving.
 
heyuhua said:
It is impossible to point out the true facts for the fifty-cent parties who are employed by interest groups. Their purpose is to deliberately interfere with the netizens to form a new common understanding, they've been slandering, they don't want to listen to me at all,
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I could not have put it better myself.
That mainstream surgeon who opperated on me...do you know he could have put maggots on my wounds but no went with this fancy mainstream antisexy cream.
Try for some balance and not think to harshly about those evil main stream guys at least dont tick them off before they invent a better phone☺
Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
Pointing out fact is not really slander.
And you ignore the facts I present I notice but you know that ignoring them will not make them go away.

Gallaxies merge and we have observations to that effect with our own gallaxy...it has been thru various mergers and to say otherwise or rather to just ignore same must tell you that you are not being honest with yourself.

I really think your determination to ignore mainstream science prevents you being rational, and your little dummy spit just now shows your emotional involvement in a predetermined position leaves you open to valid critism...its like you are sticking your chin out and saying hit me hit me.
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Xelasnave.1947 said:
Pointing out fact is not really slander.
And you ignore the facts I present I notice but you know that ignoring them will not make them go away.

Gallaxies merge and we have observations to that effect with our own gallaxy...it has been thru various mergers and to say otherwise or rather to just ignore same must tell you that you are not being honest with yourself.

I really think your determination to ignore mainstream science prevents you being rational, and your little dummy spit just now shows your emotional involvement in a predetermined position leaves you open to valid critism...its like you are sticking your chin out and saying hit me hit me.

Further M31 is coming our way so tell me why should we expect that it wont merge with the Milky Way...oh hang on it just dawned on my..you probably have no idea that M31 is a gallaxy...its next door only 2 million light years away...a mere cosmological stones throw...and interestingly it can be seen with the naked eye...so you can tell folk you have great vision with a range of 2 million light years☺
So we do know its (M31) coming our way and not rushing away like the Moon...how do you fit that fact in your non fact world.

One thing you mentioned is this Earth growing thing...I heard someone say that the world was smaller in the past and that is why the dinosaurs were so big..less gravity...what do you think?
Alex
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“Further M31 is coming our way so tell me why should we expect that it wont merge with the Milky Way...oh hang on it just dawned on my..you probably have no idea that M31 is a gallaxy...its next door only 2 million light years away...a mere cosmological stones throw...and interestingly it can be seen with the naked eye...so you can tell folk you have great vision with a range of 2 million light year”

Of course, some celestial bodies seem to be coming towards us, but that does not mean that they must fall on the earth, and at some point they will deviate, just as the sun sometimes approaches us and sometimes moves away
 
Michael 345 said:
I thought the Earth was putting on weight (mass for the technical - as we all know Earth is weighless) because of the cosmic dust Earth collects each day

:)
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This increase in mass you said, is obviously not an increase that Yang‘s theory predicts. The increase in mass predicted by Yang's theory is determined by the internal mechanism of the celestial body and is the real creation of matter.

The most significant difference between Yang's theory and the current mainstream theory is whether or not to accept the continuous creation of substances. The prevailing theory is that there has always been so much material in the universe since the Big Bang， whereas Yang's theory thinks that matter in the universe increases with the expansion of the universe, that is, matter and space are created at the same time, not only space is created.
 
Michael 345 said:
I thought the Earth was putting on weight (mass for the technical - as we all know Earth is weighless) because of the cosmic dust Earth collects each day

:)
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We have a problem.

If there Earth is gaining mass should we expect it to gain momemtum and move to a bigger orbit or maybe because it has gained mass it must now due to a presumable increase in gravity decrease its orbit...you can see the uncertainty principle at work here.



Or is the Earth losing mass.

All that coal oil and
Burgers converts to heat which presumably radiates away into space meaning a loss in mass ...so an Earth with less mass cant hold the Moon and it leaves a little at a time.

Maybe locally we our rulers (measuring devices called rulers) are expanding which will cause us to think the universe is collapsing.

My current project is to invent and build a time machine capable of going back in time to where there was not a begining and establish that the universe is indeed an eternal universe ... however if backward time travell is not possible I will travel forward in time to where there is no end which will mean I will be back to whete I did not start from.

I may do that after lunch.
Alex
 
Michael 345 said:
I thought the Earth was putting on weight (mass for the technical - as we all know Earth is weighless) because of the cosmic dust Earth collects each day

:)
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Seems incorrect

Google - is earth gaining mass?

Seems we loose more gas mass than we gain dust mass

:)
 
heyuhua said:
I've already said that no one has seen a real merger so far. The photographs they provided do not prove that galaxies must be coming nearer, but, on the contrary, they can also be interpreted as the galaxies are dispersing, after all, those pictures are static, not moving.
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Wow, you really are a newbie at this, aren't you? How do you think science can tell the movement of galaxies? Do you think we put a video on them and just ... wait?

We can tell what direction galaxies are moving - yes - from a still image.

Here's a term for you to read up om: Doppler imaging of galaxies.
Here's a primer:
http://astro-interest.com/2014/07/how-do-astronomers-measure-the-speed-of-the-galaxy/

By the way, Andromeda is blue-shifted. It is approaching us at about 110km/s.

Here's the other 7000:
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heyuhua said:
Of course, some celestial bodies seem to be coming towards us,
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About 100 at last count.

Check out "number of blue shifted gallaxies" for interest sake...I did only days ago.

You remind me of a lovely chap we once had here , who called himself "the god" , and he was so far ahead of mainstream and travelling so fast was banned from here presumably because "they" pulled the controls and had him silenced.

But good on you for thinking outside the box...and dont get in that box ...look what they did to that poor cat.

I think what happens to some of us, it certainly has happened to me in the past, is that a combination of enthusiasm for science and a desperate hope for more ground breaking ideas leaves us open to embracing new ideas a little too early.

Mainstream science does seem as if it ignores new ideas whereas in truth it simply provides a mechanism that requires any steps forward be cautious and well considered.

Now it is this way because "they" those who group as mainstream dont want to be reprinting text books and retraining teachers...it is simply a waste of money so "they" need to get the most outta the current ideas, text books and teachers.

I had a gravity push idea and it suggested to me that the Earth would be very hot at its core but unfortunately observations did not support a hot core hypothisis...It is clear there is only oil at the center as established by the fact that in most places where you drill there is oil.

Dont let your enthusiasm or impatience cause you to be bitter but read all you can and avoid judging things good or bad.

And I hope me giving you unsolicited advice does not upset you...it used to upset the god for some reason.


If an idea has merit one would like to think that eventually it will make it...and your mate Yang if he has to handle all the negative critism it can only make him stronger you would like to think.


And if someone accuses you of being stupid perhaps take the time to ask why they may say such rather than fight without honoring the reason they say you have been stupid...if they are right you would want to know wouldnt you.

To get anywhere you need to be able to see what your opponent sees before you look for yourself.

I do like the growing Earth idea but maybe thats because I was once in the real estate game...

Thank you for your replies and comments and enjoy your day.

Alex
 
heyuhua: I'm curious where this idea of "galaxies aren't merging" came from. Is this part of Yang's theory, or your own idea?
If the former, please provide a reference to it. I did not see it mentioned anywhere in your exposition on the first page of this thread.
 
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