Chechnya Tee Hee

Eluminate said:
Actually there is more then just oil in chechnya...
its a drug smuggling/trafficing region also people being used like in
columbia stolen for ransom also territorial cohession and deterance of any other group to start the same spiral. Lots of good reasons here not just oil.
Oil is small part of it. Kazakhstan has huge oil reserves but it was allowed to separate with no ill will.

The reality is thus in 20 years chechens wont exist in ethnical sense there is about 470-370k left and I feel that they will be reduced until any and all threat to the Russian state is anihilated to surety.
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:) This is for any of you participants...what an interesting site!! I just discovered you as I was searching for more detailed information about Chechniya after the two Russian airliners crashed (8/25/04), and the speculations about "terrorism" began. I see no new postings on this site since February of this year. Are you all still having this dialogue or has it ended for some reason? I would really like to hear your views about what the Chechen situation means in terms of global systemic change at this point in history. Some of you have alluded to such issues when you discuss the resistance to change in some of the Islamic nations vs. the compatibility of the more basic Islamic religious interpretations. Yes, the issue of oil, imperialism and whether or not that is a political approach now in death throes is also of great interest to me. Thank you for any response about these concepts. Eroica
 
Chechnya is just nominally "muslim". "Clans" mean/decide much more in Checnya than all religions combined. Putting Chechnya in the same bag as Saudi Arabia, etc. just confuses the picture. Sure, rebels accept arms from whomever offers them including orthodox muslims and half-hungry Russian conscripts. Nobody's help/business is refused.
 
:) Dixonmassey: I just saw your posting from today...have you been on this site long? How come there have been no postings since February '04, if you know? I'm trying to get some of the frequent participants from this site to comment on how they see the events in Chechniya in relation to a more global view of change in general. Care to comment?
 
To be quite honest, Human rights do apply to chechens as to all human beings , BUT the situation should not be blamed on the russians,

1st the reason Grozny is level with the ground is becuase the gorillas took over the city when the war first started.. and attacked the population , law enforcemnt etc.
The russian military then arrived very unproffecionally and sustained heavy losses, they then shelled half the city (AFTER A FORMAL WARNING TO CITIZENS TO LEAVE MIND YOU).

2nd The extremists care less about the well being of chechneya than the russians do.
If they were real freadom fighters they would try and spread a decent image of themselvs to people around the world through the media.
NOT take schools and maternity wards hostage. In addition to this put the heads of reporters trying to interview them on stakes...

3rd I dont understand why its so hard to comprihend that chechneya could not leave the ussr because.1 they were a region of russia at the time compleatly irrelevant to the USSR constitution, Hence they are legally supposed to be refered to by the russian constitution unlike QUOTE " KAzakhstan" which had full rights to leave under the USSR constitution.
2 the refirendum was an obligation of chechneya's (self elected president) in 1992, HE never launched a referendum.. and I wonder why .. well maybe because he would loose. :cool:
 
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I read have been following this thread some of the opinions make me shiver, so i stayed out.
The Chechenians became Muslim in reaction to the bad treatment they received from the russians.

also, the land is a chosen zone for oil pipelines,
and because of the restrictions and occupation of the Russians, economy is difficult,
and aside, a sort of Mafia gun/oil/dope market around it, students are kidnapped all the time and tortured by the Russian white angels? seeking infos.

Grozny, a capital city of close to 1million over a decade ago, now ? 400 000 ? less? inhumane leaving conditions, mothers giving birth under fire, no electricity most of the time, deseases, no heating....
anybody with sanity would try and leave the place
 
Eluminate said:
Or how about that 110+ which died at the theater complex?
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Weren't those casualties caused by Russian callousness? The Chechnyans had a bunch of hostages, and the Russians were like: "Gas em."

Then the gas killed them.
 
swam said:
I read have been following this thread some of the opinions make me shiver, so i stayed out.
The Chechenians became Muslim in reaction to the bad treatment they received from the russians.

also, the land is a chosen zone for oil pipelines,
and because of the restrictions and occupation of the Russians, economy is difficult,
and aside, a sort of Mafia gun/oil/dope market around it, students are kidnapped all the time and tortured by the Russian white angels? seeking infos.

Grozny, a capital city of close to 1million over a decade ago, now ? 400 000 ? less? inhumane leaving conditions, mothers giving birth under fire, no electricity most of the time, deseases, no heating....
anybody with sanity would try and leave the place
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The state of living conditions is apalling I agree. As forThe phrase " chechens bacame muslim due to the bad treatment by the russians" is a load of bull $hit, The chechens were muslim when russia first occupied them.

As far as the White Angels are concerned they are a bunch of crazy nazist bastards, however chechens make a good buissiness in slave trade of russians they kidnap in moscow and the neighbouring regions of chechneya eg dagistan and asetia, and the numbers they take every year are huge.
 
Brutal combat those 2 countries had.

I have the 1st invasion by Russia & the second on video tape that I recorded daily when they happened back in 96? & 99.

Whenever I get in the mood for some war footage, that is the tape to watch, all out slaughter with no mercy.

grozny was a nice city at the beginning but afterwards, just a burnt out shell, what a waste...... :m:
 
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