Canada tops list of the most-educated countries

No, it's just that private universities are making too much money to stop now. And money runs our elections remember?
 
No, it's just that private universities are making too much money to stop now. And money runs our elections remember?

It wasn't to long ago that I read an article about our universities accepting more foreign students because they can charge them more. Yes, our own higher education is pricing the locals out. I have a feeling they are really shooting themselves in the foot. Also, what about law students suing the university for misrepresenting the availability of jobs for graduates and now they have huge education debts and no jobs?
 
If not us, why not Canada? I was surprised to see this article. The U.S. could be in this position if we weren't spending so much for our military efforts.

Actually I suspect that the effect has more to do with Canada's smaller population, relative to the inflows of (highly educated) immigrants.
 
Those per capita GDP numbers need to be updated big time to account for the new realities stemming from the Bush conservatives' economic destruction and Canada's continued economic growth. Some sources now estimate Canada as having a higher per capita GDP even when measured in US dollars.

I've been to the US many times and wondered for ages how it can survive and be so wealthy when it allows for so much violence and chaos on its streets. Last few times I've been, it really seems like it's becoming the new reality (admittedly, I've only been to California and Hawaii in recent years). Illegal immigration with zero screening purely for the sake of undercutting working class wages, and having a huge percentage of the population doomed to succumb to all kinds of debilitating medical conditions because they can't afford the treatment, plus the growing numbers of homeless with no support and nothing to lose... If Americans don't want to spend on education and other vital social programs for the population as a whole, then soon enough they might as well be spending the money on armoured tanks to protect whatever wealth they still have.
 
Actually I suspect that the effect has more to do with Canada's smaller population, relative to the inflows of (highly educated) immigrants.

Yeah! I guess it's all about where the educated want to live. But I would like to here what some of the Canadians have to say on this subject. After all this is a Canadian forum.:D
 
If not us, why not Canada? I was surprised to see this article. The U.S. could be in this position if we weren't spending so much for our military efforts. Now that we are winding down our military involvements, maybe that will change?

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actually it has nothing to do with military involvements. also, it's not bad being in the top ten or number four. why does everyone think they have to be number one all the time in everything? there is only one spot for number one for a reason. sometimes the chips fall there and sometimes it doesn't.

as technology increases, more people will have the time to attain higher education and 'self-actualize', this usually makes for a more quality public or society overall, if it develops their conscientiousness as well.

though take number three (japan), or even korea (number six), for instance. many are in service sector jobs (coffee shops, restaurant etc) that have nothing to do with their degree because of the lack of jobs or especially for females; sexism, glass ceiling etc. the positive though is that even the service sector is inhabited by a more educated and conscientious public which means you get more professional service. i've rarely encountered lewdness or rudeness in these societies (except from the uneducated or backwards older generation).
 
Beside they did not import people from Africa

Wow.. Really?

CptBork said:
If Americans don't want to spend on education and other vital social programs for the population as a whole, then soon enough they might as well be spending the money on armoured tanks to protect whatever wealth they still have.
There are some in America who believe the time for the tanks is near, people like Glenn Beck for instance. Like Quad, I suspect the smaller population and having educated migrants migrate to Canada has a lot to do with it. Plus they also spend a fair amount on 'education'.

One thing I dislike about such surveys however is that it does not measure intelligence or even things like literacy and numeracy competency rates. It is measuring the number of people who finish their tertiary education. Which to me, does not give a very clear picture. And it also excludes others who are in professions which require training, such as electrician or plumbers..
 
Wow.. Really?

Yeah I'm pretty shocked about that comment too. We have no shortage of ethnic minorities who've struggled with poverty compared to white people, and the First Nations in particular still struggle tremendously (in fact, it seems the problem is only getting worse at the moment and they're increasingly victimized by the poverty cycle). And yes we don't have much of a history of African slavery other than possibly a miniscule amount before it was banned throughout the British empire, but we do take in huge numbers of immigrants of African descent (lots from poverty-stricken Haiti, for example) and also huge numbers of impoverished refugees. The US has had 150 years to integrate its black population into the general society but has never wanted to make a sincere effort.

There are some in America who believe the time for the tanks is near, people like Glenn Beck for instance. Like Quad, I suspect the smaller population and having educated migrants migrate to Canada has a lot to do with it. Plus they also spend a fair amount on 'education'.

Glenn Beck is certainly right about wanting the tanks, and it's because of people like him that they're needed in the first place. If you create a society where more than half the population is essentially abandoned and has no reason to feel it has a stake in the well-being of that society, then you're creating a recipe for catastrophic class warfare. The sad thing is I've spoken to plenty of Americans at the lower end of the social spectrum who also buy into the crap Fox News sells them; I guess they still have the delusion that they too will become rich one day.

Canada does take in a lot of highly-educated immigrants, the cream of the crop in many cases, but we're very deficient in helping those immigrants find jobs suitable to the fields in which these immigrants were educated. Lots of immigrants come here with Ph.D's and technical skills and end up having to run a business or find a job which has nothing to do with their specialized skills. Our society actually ruins many of these immigrants with false promises of a better life, if you investigate their stories in detail. I think public education funding plays a huge role in the stats, whereas the US still abandons its poor children in ghetto schools which teach them habitual violence and delinquency more than anything else. America has a very different approach to the labour force it creates- it's like a giant fish tank where all but the biggest fish become fodder for the corporate elite.

I'm guessing the US stats only pertain to those who are actually in the country legally and have their citizenship, which would make them rather inflated, in which case the true US numbers would actually be far worse. Not good at all- I think a functional and prosperous nation state should be united by common goals rather than mutual hate, selfishness and distrust.

One thing I dislike about such surveys however is that it does not measure intelligence or even things like literacy and numeracy competency rates. It is measuring the number of people who finish their tertiary education. Which to me, does not give a very clear picture. And it also excludes others who are in professions which require training, such as electrician or plumbers..

Intelligence and competency rates probably aren't accurately indicated by the fact of tertiary education alone, I agree. On the subject of electricians or plumbers, however, I know many people who finish high school and go into technical schools for such trades, and many others who go back to school after years spent in the labour force in hopes of earning better salaries. As far as I know, post-secondary trade schools are counted as tertiary education.
 
actually it has nothing to do with military involvements. also, it's not bad being in the top ten or number four. why does everyone think they have to be number one all the time in everything? there is only one spot for number one for a reason. sometimes the chips fall there and sometimes it doesn't.

I interjected the military as an indication of where the U.S. was putting it's financial priorities. I agree that being in the top 10 ranking even if your not number one is a good thing. I just happen to think we could do a lot better even if we were still number one.

as technology increases, more people will have the time to attain higher education and 'self-actualize', this usually makes for a more quality public or society overall, if it develops their conscientiousness as well.

I agree, but also think more should be done to allow people to get a higher education without costing them an arm and a leg. The higher education in the U.S. seems to be more concerned with making a buck than providing a higher education to all the citizens of the U.S. that want a higher education.

though take number three (Japan), or even Korea (number six), for instance. many are in service sector jobs (coffee shops, restaurant etc) that have nothing to do with their degree because of the lack of jobs or especially for females; sexism, glass ceiling etc. the positive though is that even the service sector is inhabited by a more educated and conscientious public which means you get more professional service. I've rarely encountered lewdness or rudeness in these societies (except from the uneducated or backwards older generation).

Although better educated people tend to earn more during their lifetime, I don't agree that, that should always be the primary goal of higher education. However, if you have to go into debt to get the education, then your focus has to be on getting higher paid employment to justify and pay for your education.
 
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