Can molecules/atoms store informations?

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Kumar

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Hello,

Can atoms and molecules store informations of all "non-chemical reaction based" interactions with these? If yes, How?

Can it be by some variations in their structure showing variations in their absorbed, emited or reflected energies/spectrum/wave-lengths OR by some degradation of atoms/molecules alike a natural process? Whether every atom/molecule of same element/composition have absolutely same absorption, emission or reflection levels?

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I don't understand your question. You are sitting at a computer with hard drive, microchips, and probably a CD drive. All are made out of molecules/atoms and all store information. I am pretty sure you already know that, so I assume that you are asking some other question.

-Dale
 
Yes then, why don't we consider that when some energy-heat/light/photons interact with any atom/molecule(non-chemical reaction based), why such atom/molecule don't store information for prolonged time of such interaction?
 
Kumar said:
Can atoms and molecules store informations of all "non-chemical reaction based" interactions with these? If yes, How?
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The capacity to "store" depends upon any rate of change, entropy etc.

--- Ron.
 
perplexity said:
The capacity to "store" depends upon any rate of change, entropy etc.

--- Ron.
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Why then, it is considered that whatever absorbed by atoms is emitted nothing kept?
 
Kumar said:
Why then, it is considered that whatever absorbed by atoms is emitted nothing kept?
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It is all rather tenuous, isn't it?

If I were God I'd think it a terrible waste to store information discretely, per atom.

Better to invent an internet, with pools of information to be available to each atom.

--- Ron.
 
Why it is tenuous? Why God'd had think- it is terrible waste to store information discretely, per atom?
 
Kumar said:
Why it is tenuous?
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Do you feel you know what goes on with an atom?

The theories come and go.

Kumar said:
Why God'd had think- it is terrible waste to store information discretely, per atom?
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I'd thought the discrimination was evident enough.

If discrete were God's thing, they'd be as many different elements as atoms in the Universe, or is that in effect your proposition, that this is in effect the case?

--- Ron.
 
Kumar said:
Yes then, why don't we consider that when some energy-heat/light/photons interact with any atom/molecule(non-chemical reaction based), why such atom/molecule don't store information for prolonged time of such interaction?
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Umm, what are you talking about? That is more or less how a CD burner works. You can theoretically use any controllable and detectable change to store information.

-Dale
 
In short, pls tell me if all atoms of same element and all molecules of same substance/composition are "absolutely" same or not? If yes, is it suitably measurable with current technology?

If discrete were God's thing, they'd be as many different elements as atoms in the Universe, or is that in effect your proposition, that this is in effect the case?
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There could be some minute differences among same atoms which we might be ignoring for practical purposes or unable to measure these?
 
The only difference between one atom of a substance and another atom of that same substance is its position - so far as we know. What could distinguish an atom of, say, lead, from any other atom of lead? Any suggestions?
Going slightly smaller than atoms there was a (semi-serious) postulation that there is only one electron in the whole universe, and that electron just happens to be everywhere at the same time, as opposed to quite a few electrons in discrete positions.
 
An omnipotent electron? Interesting

I would imagine that all atoms of the same element are the same, because (according to current theory) atoms are made up of a set amount of neturons and protons, which are made out of quarks (3 quarks per neutron/proton), which are made out of other things. Nowhere does it say that these things have different masses.
 
Omnipresent. Not omnipotent :D . I'll see if I can find any links on-line, it was a good few years back that I read it.
 
As far as I know, quantum computers work by changing the spin of electrons. Does that work?

Left spin = 1... right spin = 0
 
You're asking me? Haven't looked at quantum computing for loong time. Real life got in the way and I'm nowhere near up to date now. But now I'm reminded of it I might go reading...
 
Oli said:
The only difference between one atom of a substance and another atom of that same substance is its position - so far as we know. What could distinguish an atom of, say, lead, from any other atom of lead? Any suggestions?
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Different energy (KE for atom as a whole or ground state for associated electrons), different valence state, different isotope. That's all I can think of, and valence states and isotopes could probably reasonably be considered different "substances".

-Dale
 
Oli said:
The only difference between one atom of a substance and another atom of that same substance is its position - so far as we know. What could distinguish an atom of, say, lead, from any other atom of lead? Any suggestions?
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Can it be slight variation in orbitals distances, or some vibrational differences?

Btw, how position of different atoms of same substance make these different?

Going slightly smaller than atoms there was a (semi-serious) postulation that there is only one electron in the whole universe, and that electron just happens to be everywhere at the same time, as opposed to quite a few electrons in discrete positions.
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Are you saying that only one electron or one type--electrons? We may still be having pendancy---one prime force of all forces. :)
 
DaleSpam said:
Different energy (KE for atom as a whole or ground state for associated electrons), different valence state, different isotope. That's all I can think of, and valence states and isotopes could probably reasonably be considered different "substances".

-Dale
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Pls don'ttake isotopes in this regard as it may not be common to all atoms.

Pls tell more about different valence states in sense of storing the informations.
 
Oli said:
You're asking me? Haven't looked at quantum computing for loong time. Real life got in the way and I'm nowhere near up to date now. But now I'm reminded of it I might go reading...
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I didn't even read your posts. It was just a reply to the guy that started this thread.
 
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