British schools blow the Santa myth for kids

Syzygys

As a mother, I am telling you
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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23378895-details/'Santa+Claus+does+not+exist'+school+tells+stunned+kids/article.do


Well, let's make it a poll, without choices, just post your answer:

At what age should the school/parents blow the Santa myth and tell the truth???

In the story they were 9 year old, and I think by that age they should have figured it out...

As an extra question: Is it the schools duty or the parents? Did the teacher really overstep her duty??
 
I agree with spidergoat on this one. There is no need whatsoever to brainwash your child into believing that a fantasy man exists. No offense meant to the theists out there...
 
Schools should not be in the business of destroying cultural myths. It is called enjoyment.

Santa Clause, by the way, is real.
 
They were 9, i think they're blowing this whole thing out of proportion.

I remember back in first school (or was it nursery?) it was a tradition for the teachers to make the kids watch The Snowman. Now this film has the most depressing ending ever, I still remember the reactions of all the kids when it finished, I had a massive lump in my throat, some kids were crying, many stopped talking for the rest of the day. I think the teachers enjoyed watching our reactions.
 
Hell, I was never told that Santa was not real. Of course one comes to connect the dots, but as a kid you come to a conclusion besides 'Its a lie perpetrated by the adults; an elaborate ruse designed to distract children'. I came to believe that, while Santa was not physically coming to my house and delivering presents, he did exist in another form. Human altruism. He is a meme, perhaps the best part of the human mind, that makes a man do good things even when he would never do such things at any other time of the year. And, at Christmas time, every man and woman is his avatar.

Emotionally, if not rationally, I still believe in Santa.
I prefer this reality to an objective one.
 
They're little kids goodness sake.

If they want to believe in Santa, so what? Let them be kids and believe in whatever they want to believe in. I am an atheist and I have a 15 month old. He believes in Santa. Hell he's even had his photo taken with Santa this year. So what?

It is up to the parents to tell their kids when their kids ask about Santa. What the hell kind of teacher tells a bunch of little kids that there is no Santa, especially at Christmas time?:confused:

Children are open to seeing violence on TV every day of the week. It's in the news. They see pictures on the front of newspapers. Why destroy their beliefs in something like Santa if it brings them joy? Why set out to destroy their imagination? They have a lifetime left open to them to have their dreams and beliefs blown out of the water. Why do it to them when they're little kids?

I personally think it's sick to dash a child's hopes in such a way and at Christmas time as well. Imagine the ones who might still believe in Santa in that class and might have even sent out their wish list. How will they now feel?

The blunder came after the Year 5 pupils were given seasonal worksheets containing various festive classroom exercises.

One began by informing the children that 'many small children believe in Father Christmas'.

It then went on to explain that thousands of letters sent by these children to Santa every year are actually answered by the Post Office.

The youngsters were then asked to write a pretend letter from the Post Office to a child explaining why their requests for presents had been refused.
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That teacher should be sacked.
 
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Santa Claus is solely a tool for indoctrinating children into materialism and consumerism.

Secondly.

Satan Claus is solely a tool for (literally) tricking children into being "nice" instead of naughty for the purpose of materialism. How shallow. How vulgar.


In case you have 'forgotten', Bells, this joy in children you speak of is the joy of a soul awakening and perceiving, solely, the brighter aspects of materialism and consumerism. If this is indeed a joyful thing, well, I suppose so..
 
There is no downside to materialism and consumerism, Southstar. Material goods are extremely beneficial to our life.
 
There is no downside to materialism and consumerism, Southstar. Material goods are extremely beneficial to our life.

Ah, but I did not say they were not beneficial. Though, you must agree that that they are "extremely beneficial" does not imply that there is no 'downside' to materialism and consumerism. And might I also raise the more concise objection that that material goods are "extremely beneficial" does not imply that either materialism or consumerism are "extremely beneficial".

I see you did not give an explicit nexus but I think there is a hint of a connection underneath.

Are you not familiar with the philosophies of Tolstoy and the message of Jesus to the young ruler? ;)

Do you forget what these things (materialism and consumerism) did to Raskolnikov? What comfort did they bring Hamlet?

I am quite sure, in any case, that many children (and I speak only of children) have lived quite joyful childhoods without the insemination of these worldviews. In your opinion, what is the richer gift by the way? A strong character and a deep appreciation for ascetism or .. a zombie-like salivating for materialism and consumerism?
 
Hey, it's the only time of year adults get to adopt a second childhood, Don't spoil it for them :)
 
Hell, I was never told that Santa was not real. Of course one comes to connect the dots, but as a kid you come to a conclusion besides 'Its a lie perpetrated by the adults; an elaborate ruse designed to distract children'. I came to believe that, while Santa was not physically coming to my house and delivering presents, he did exist in another form. Human altruism. He is a meme, perhaps the best part of the human mind, that makes a man do good things even when he would never do such things at any other time of the year. And, at Christmas time, every man and woman is his avatar.

Emotionally, if not rationally, I still believe in Santa.
I prefer this reality to an objective one.

I think you're on to something. Santa is probably the worlds most positive Meme. Even Santa extremists promote positive results. Weird.
 
Santa Claus is solely a tool for indoctrinating children into materialism and consumerism.

Secondly.

Satan Claus is solely a tool for (literally) tricking children into being "nice" instead of naughty for the purpose of materialism. How shallow. How vulgar.
Geez. They're little kids. They also believe in the tooth fairy and the easter bunny. Get a grip on yourself and for once stop trying to analyse every single thing. You're telling me if one day you have a child and he/she asks you about Christmas and Santa you're going to tell them right from the get go that it is a commercial holiday and there is no Santa because you think it is a tool to trick them into behaving? Right. What a fun parent you'd turn out to be.:rolleyes: And you accuse me of being shallow and vulgar? So be it. At least my kid's going to have fun this Christmas and have a healthy imagination.

So what if it's a commercial holiday. It's for the kids. Not for you. You can complain and grumble as much as you want about it being materialistic and commercial, but kids don't think that way. Aside from their birthday, it is the one time of the year they look forward to. You'd ruin that for them? Think of it as being a time to give something to someone else with love as a pure reason. We've also planned to take our son to the Salvation Army to give out some toys we bought for the needy kids and that's something we tend to make sure becomes a custom. Do you know why? Because every child deserves to have some wonder in their lives.

I can't believe you'd actually ruin a child's imagination and wonder at the whole Christmas thing because you think it's "for the purpose of materialism". Guess what, I also have a Christmas tree up decked out with blinding lights and baubles, and I also have Christmas lights out on the patio and also strewn through the trees in the front and back yard. Our 15 month old loves it. He just sits there and claps his hands and laughs every evening and then runs around trying to peer between the trees and shrubs at the twinkling lights. You're telling me I should deny him that joy and wonder? Get real!

For easter I also plan to hide easter eggs throughout the garden and cut out big rabbit feet, dip them in flower and pad them around the grass so he thinks the easter bunny hopped through the yard. Christmas eve we're also going to leave out carrots and milk for santa. It's what kids love and as a parent, you're damn straight I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure he enjoys it.

I am quite sure, in any case, that many children (and I speak only of children) have lived quite joyful childhoods without the insemination of these worldviews. In your opinion, what is the richer gift by the way? A strong character and a deep appreciation for ascetism or .. a zombie-like salivating for materialism and consumerism?
They can have both. And many do have both. I'd rather a child have a healthy imagination and feel wonder at some things than be so blind and uncaring for the world and those in it and become an analytical little twerp. I'd hope he keeps his childish wonder and imaginative belief at the world as long as possible. With all the bad things in the world and all the bad things kids are left open to in the media and every where else, why deny them something joyful, innocent, imaginative and simply fun?

I mean when was the last time you had fun? Because after reading your post, it seems to be a long time ago.
 
The fact that children look forward to both their birthday and christmas has nothing to do with materialism?
 
I agree wholeheartedly with Bells here. Santa is fun for kids, and fun for parents to watch kids enjoy it. There need be no more justification than that, to keep the myth. The over-commercialism can be largely avoided.
 
The fact that children look forward to both their birthday and christmas has nothing to do with materialism?

So what if it is? They're little kids. You never got anything for either Christmas or your birthday for example? Ever? You're telling me even as an adult, you never give anyone anything at all for Christmas, birthdays, etc?

You're going to teach a small child about materialism? Do you think they'd understand what you were on about? You think a 1, 5 or even 10 year old will care about materialism and commercialism?

Christmas, birthdays, all those holidays are fun for children. Maybe parents need to leave a bit of their moral philosophy at the door and just let their kids enjoy it? You know, since it's for kids and all.:rolleyes:
 
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